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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

dang wrote: post #354
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #24

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1. No. Charter schools select the best students but that doesn't say that they're actually better at educating them than a normal public school. 2. You don't believe that kids should share an environment with the less-advantaged? Even if we said that your child may be more likely to 'succeed' when they are placed in an environment where almost no kids are materially wanting or have special needs - what kind of person…

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Post by salvar »

darepublic wrote: post #233
JamesBarney wrote: post #199

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Are you arguing for better access to birth control? Or that the children should be punished for the sins of their mother?

Well like it or not, children do pay for the sins of their parents. It's not something to be argued for its simply the truth

So should we try to do more or less of it?

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Post by salvar »

e40 wrote: post #96
roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

Others fall asleep immediately at school since they live with 5+ siblings and there are literally no available beds at home. I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either At some point, though, personal responsibility has to come into play. Having 5+ children when you have no resources... this is the true elephant in the room. It seems talking about it gets labels thrown around. I guess it's a conversa…

Of course personal responsibility comes into play. But what do you want to do about it? The child already exists and we can't go back in time, so no preventing that. Do we give the child the best opportunity it can get, or somehow use it to punish the parents for their decision making?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

wiremine wrote: post #89
roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

> a longer school year helps students stay focused My kids (4th and 7th) attend a school with a year-round schedule, and we (kids and parents) love it: * They are less stressed because there is more breaks throughout the year. Teachers seem less stressed, too, because they don't have to pack so much in. * They retain more in the summer. * Outside of academics: it's really nice to have the option to take longer vacati…

In contrast I'm very happy with long Summer holidays at present. It gives us chance to spend extended periods together as a family and to help our children to follow their own educational goals rather than those dictated by central government. We're planning electronics, modern language learning, weir building, insect hunting, camping, outdoor pursuits, ... none of which they do in school here.

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Post by dkonofalski »

soperj wrote: post #227
house9-2 wrote: post #208

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> ...and focus on building a better foster / adoption system and encouraging people to use it who is going to fund that? wouldn't it be better to support the families as they are? help improve peoples lives instead of ripping families apart

Same people funding these insane school programs?

Why are they insane?

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Post by salvar »

PantaloonFlames wrote: post #245
roland35 wrote: post #50

I am excited about this approach and I think LeBron's organization has put a lot of though and work with experts on this project. - This school is a true public school and not a charter school. In Ohio a lot of charter schools can have some degree of selection in their students and kick out families which don't meet the requirements which leads to more at-risk students left to the public schools. This school is makin…

> I am not trying to blame the parents in all the cases either, a lot of the time there are single parents just trying to get by and make ends meet and don't know what more they can do. If there is a household with one parent, 5+ children, and not enough beds for them, the problem has occurred long before. One cannot blame the parent for "that day", but certainly the adult bears some responsibility for creating such…

Ok let's be clear about that. Now what? There _is_ a household with one parent and 5+ children. Unless you have a time machine you can't undo that. What do you do about that household? Telling the parents that they made bad decisions actually doesn't do much to help the children. How do you help the children?

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Post by pjmorris »

koolba wrote: post #84
pjmorris wrote: post #58

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> the harder it is to isolate individual teachers as the cause of children not learning on pace and then fire them The Gates Foundation spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the 'Intensive Partnerships for Effective Teaching initiative' [0], only to find that teacher evaluation isn't an effective way to improve student outcomes. Maybe there's more to improving student education than isolating individual teachers a…

> The Gates Foundation spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the 'Intensive Partnerships for Effective Teaching initiative' [0], only to find that teacher evaluation isn't an effective way to improve student outcomes. Did you actually read the article to which you linked? Some choice quotes (emphasis mine): > The reforms demanded too much time. The evaluations required an enormous amount of time and paperwork , an…

One more thing: It's worth a pass over the next-level article [0] summarizing the findings of the RAND corporation study, notably this cherry-pick of my own:

> A near-exclusive focus on TE might be insufficient to dramatically improve student outcomes. Many other factors might need to be addressed, ranging from early childhood education, to students' social and emotional competencies, to the school learning environment, to family support. Dramatic improvement in outcomes, particularly for LIM students, will likely require attention to many of these factors as well.

It vastly oversimplifies things to focus on teacher evaluation (and consequences) as a solution, and further oversimplifies things to blame unions.

[0] https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2242.html

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Swizec wrote: post #312
malcolmgreaves wrote: post #282

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They made the choice to have the first, second, third, and fourth kid before the fifth one. Each child is a huge lifelong expense: everyone knows this fact. Condoms, birth control, abortions: these are all available tools to give people control over human reproduction.

> everyone knows this fac And you can be completely fine and have plenty of resources for all 5 kids until your wife gets cancer and you drop 1 million dollars of medical expenses into that money pit and then she dies anyway. Now you have 5 kids, single income, and way less than no money. Strangers on the internet say it’s your fault. Enjoy Well I guess it’s your fault for having kids in a country with scant social s…

That sounds like an edge case to me. What proportion of single parent families are formed by death of a married parent vs. other options?

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Post by ibrault »

naravara wrote: post #120
masklinn wrote: post #68

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> Longer school days, 3 meals, and a longer school year helps students stay focused. The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs.

>The middle one is absolutely true, the other two I really doubt e.g. in Finland or Germany, schoolday starts around 9AM and ends around 2PM, yielding 3h30 to 4h studies a day accounting for breaks, 5 days/week, with little homework (maybe 5h/week total). Afternoon is usually dedicated to clubs. In the context of at-risk kids, I think the idea is to maximize the amount of time the kids get to spend away from their to…

Also helps the parents who need to be at work.

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Post by s73v3r_ »

gedy wrote: post #339
s73v3r_ wrote: post #253

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How is it a lie? Money going to charters is money not going to the neighborhood school.

Kids going to School A from School B means that School A doesn't need to pay anything for that student. Plus public charter schools typically run less overhead and are more efficient per student.[0] [0] http://www.uaedreform.org/downloads/2014/07/the-productivity...

"Plus public charter schools typically run less overhead and are more efficient per student."

Because they don't have to serve all the students, and they don't have to serve special needs students. Not mentioning that is quite dishonest.

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