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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by sevenzero »

Frieren wrote: post #432
sevenzero wrote: post #416

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You need an imprint for pretty much everything, as I wrote earlier. Even a hobbyist Youtube channel requires one if you're strict with it. It's enough that said thing could have business intent and I want to emphasize the could here. To be completely sure, you'd have to check with a lawyer.

> It's enough that said thing could have business intent So, it is a business.

Is me writing a blog post about how much I personally like hamburgers a business? Because that can be interpreted as having business intent in Germany. As soon as I drop the name of a fast food restaurant, it can be interpreted as advertisement that I got paid for. Yes I could easily prove that this isn't the case if asked, but thats work.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by garaetjjte »

weberer wrote: post #347
embedding-shape wrote: post #151

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> Definitely a change, because it is not something I can recall being important just a couple of years ago. I work as a consultant and freelancer across a bunch of companies, some American but mostly European ones. Last ~8 months or so, the sentiment about "Hosting our data in EU or even our own country" has drastically changed, I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before. The amount o…

>I don't think I've seen such a clear shift in public opinion so fast before Its not about public opinion, but rather data sovereignty requirements. Certain types of data must be processed within servers located in the EU, regardless of where the company's HQ is. That's why you see most SaaS platforms nowadays offer a EU-only version.

I remember when iCloud arrangements required by China was seen as draconian. Now it seems we're not far from people cheering for such laws elsewhere...

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by gulfofamerica »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #392
tcp_handshaker wrote: post #374

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>Seems strange to me that not everyone, including republicans, aren't aware of >this, when he's pretty outspoken about not wanting any more elections, and how >"if you vote for me this time, it'll be the last time you have to vote". 1) Puerto Ricans were called publicly on a Trump rally in New York, an "island of garbage" and they massively voted for Trump . - Second generation Latinos, whose many parents, and grand…

If you find yourself with a view of reality that massively differs from others, you have two options. (1) Assume they’re irrational, uninformed, and wrong, or (2) Reconsider your priors and attempt to understand why they think the way that they do. Let’s take the “island of garbage”. It was said by a comedian during his set. The Trump campaign stated “this joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the cam…

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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by sufficientsoup »

BaudouinVH wrote: post #302

European-based alternative to github : https://codeberg.org/ The hub for european alternatives : https://european-alternatives.eu/

I don't think Codeberg wants to be a GitHub alternative. In particular, I don't think they want to support the use cases of someone hosting a bunch of private repos, or someone hosting commercialized code.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by 9dev »

sevenzero wrote: post #441
Frieren wrote: post #432

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> It's enough that said thing could have business intent So, it is a business.

Is me writing a blog post about how much I personally like hamburgers a business? Because that can be interpreted as having business intent in Germany. As soon as I drop the name of a fast food restaurant, it can be interpreted as advertisement that I got paid for. Yes I could easily prove that this isn't the case if asked, but thats work.

Not so. German courts actually take a look at the site and apply common sense judgement. If it's obviously a personal blog, nobody is going to successfully litigate against you. There's a lot of FUD involved in these discussions.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by 6510 »

When reading the docs of quite a few payment processors (for a simple cart check out) Mollie was quite hilarious. I kept thinking "this is it? This is all I need to do??" Then the masochist api's are also available.

And a serious lack of "dear customer, we are keeping all of your money for reasons we wont get into, screw you and your customers, you have no further questions." Which I consider a killer feature.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by hk_net »

m_mueller wrote: post #357
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #229

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> EU hosting their own ops like they built the Airbus A380: > Database runs in France, front end in Belgium, Operations in Spain... You snark, but is this not EXACTLY how a sizeable majority of modern apps are made? Substitute in some random tech stacks, cloud providers, or buzzwords. Database runs in AWS, front end in Nuxt, Operations in Claude.

Also, Airbus is doing very well last I checked.

And moving it’s stack… https://www.heise.de/en/news/Airbus-is-looking-for-a-soverei...

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by Scarblac »

tcp_handshaker wrote: post #351
Scarblac wrote: post #331

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And actual war, given the threats to Greenland. But especially that Microsoft blocked the work email of the ICC lead prosecutor for political reasons, that has all alarm bells ringing.

Given how bad the US military performed against Iran, its pretty clear that any hostilities started by the US against NATO, would finish with a takeover of Washington within...2 weeks...

Even if that fantasy was true in any way, the US can do enough damage to European digital systems to utterly cripple society on day 1.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by pear01 »

shimman wrote: post #413
pear01 wrote: post #233

It is good to diversify but people should really not make Europe out to be some sanctuary. European governments (and thus companies) are still going to cooperate with America. When the day comes when they do not, America's reach will still be long. Never mind the fact that incentives in Europe are not so different from the USA. It may look that way now, but often moving across the globe just means trading one villain…

European sanctuary is good for Europeans. The USA is not a reliable partner and has uncaused a massive amount of global instability that impacts European lives. I also heavily disagree that incentives in EU are not different from the USA. The USA is an oligarchic government with pro-corporate politic parties. This is not the case in the EU. Not too mention workers in the EU often live better lives than workers in the…

That may all be true.

However it seems odd to not follow your ending paragraph with more circumspection re the earlier ones.

If we stipulate that the USA is ending a trend of relative reliability and stability and as such constitutes more of a risk to Europe - including invasion of Greenland - why would we assume from this a stability in European regulatory regimes?

You don't think changes in the United States portend changes on the European continent? Do you imagine the USA descends into apocalypse while Europe remains unchanged? Will the incentives that push the American government to threaten "digital sovereignty" not loom in a Europe that has to increasingly face a more dangerous (given your own premises) world alone?

Yes, the current American administration is a disgrace. That is quite obvious and no achievement to point out, as you seem to well know. Don't let that automatically lead to the conclusion that Europe is some sanctuary. That does not logically follow. A relative improvement in conditions may end up being temporary. Caution is warranted. Especially from Americans who follow this "move my infra to Europe" trend without knowing Europe or its conditions with any intimacy.

As I said it's a good idea in principle. But some skepticism and caution is warranted.

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