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Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by Scarblac »

grey-area wrote: post #315
blululu wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity how much of this is a manifestation of the utility of LLMs? I get the current political impetus right now but also the barrier for swapping out an infra stack was also much higher 2 years ago. From my own projects major swaps are now relatively trivial which means that vendor lock in is weak.

Precisely none of it is related to LLMs. It's related to the political situation and the possibility of trade war and tariffs.

And actual war, given the threats to Greenland.

But especially that Microsoft blocked the work email of the ICC lead prosecutor for political reasons, that has all alarm bells ringing.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by soopypoos »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #235
AllanSavageDev wrote: post #176

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EU hosting their own ops like they built the Airbus A380: Database runs in France, front end in Belgium, Operations in Spain... EU Fairness dictates they all need to get a slice of the pie so this will be interesting (and by that I mean absurdly hilarious).

Isnt that how american contracts work? You put your Headquarters in seattle, your data center in alabama, you have your dev team in SF... every state gets a slice Like gov contracts and how they are divided is basically the largest conversation in defense contracts, they give more of a shit who will make the nails for a tank than the security parameters of the crew members

tank nails are so expensive though

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

rapnie wrote: post #274
embedding-shape wrote: post #258

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> EU hate each other What gave you the impression that EU members hate each other? It'd be a weird union if that was the case. Not saying it's not possible, I just haven't seen it myself, although I am a Swede so clearly I do hate the Danes and the Norrbaggar with passion, but it's love-hate, not hate-hate.

Likely OP refers to individual countries and quarreling leaders often favoring national interests to what would be best for the union.

> leaders often favoring national interests to what would be best for the union

If we're talking about leaders for member states, then they're doing their job right :) They're not meant to figure out what's best for the union, we have separate elections for those people who go to EU and represent the country + care about the union. The national "leaders" of the country are quite expected to put national interests above what's best for the union :)

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by crote »

Scarblac wrote: post #331
grey-area wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely none of it is related to LLMs. It's related to the political situation and the possibility of trade war and tariffs.

And actual war, given the threats to Greenland. But especially that Microsoft blocked the work email of the ICC lead prosecutor for political reasons, that has all alarm bells ringing.

And of course the actions in Iran and Venezuela, demonstrating that even the most braindead threats aren't just empty bluffing.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by quentindanjou »

xyzelement wrote: post #330

Want to state up-front, I am a dual citizen: an EU member and the US, and I live in the US. So I hope this gives my view some credibility as being grounded in the dual perspective. The sentiment we're seeing in this story/comments and thematically is EU's desire to distance from the US - sure in infrastructure - but more so in identity. Which on the high-level I think is a great goal (ie, Europe should have European…

Comparing Europe to a teenager wanting to move out of their parents' (US) house is incredibly condescending.

Especially considering that the US is the actual young country being swinged in instability.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by zeafoamrun »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #190
IAmFledge wrote: post #96

I started the process of this back in January and now, at least in terms of product hosting; fully migrated into European infrastructure ( https://bannermedia.ltd ). It didn't come without a bit of pain, but glad I've done it - and to come with this I've ended up building a whole terraform setup for cross provider / cross region high availability within Europe. So far my key mappings included: - Cloudflare -> Bunny C…

> - AWS (or similar) -> Hetzner + OVH; I'm also looking at Civo.com for UK presence. At some point deciders at EU companies are going to notice that Hetzner and/or OVH are also not a bit but much cheaper than AWS.

We already use them for our egress heavy services.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by 9dev »

sevenzero wrote: post #33
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #13

While I agree with him that the US is becoming more unpredictable, I don't think the EU is much better, especially with regards to digital things where they can be worse in some ways. For example, they are discussing restricting VPN access for 'child protection'[1] [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_AT...

Most digital things in Europe are in fact much better. Lots of laws allow people to protect themselves from digital exploitation. I agree that there is a ton of bullshit as well though. Gotta dox myself with imprints for example, so I cant share my work with people without also doxing myself. Also as a hobbyist you pretty much need all the business documents as well, like a privacy policy even if its just a small pub…

Well, as a German consumer, I gotta say it's pretty darn great to be able to pinpoint a website to an actual business. It's a good way to judge how legitimate an online shop is before ordering, for example; and if anything goes wrong, I know there is someone I can hold accountable.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by kfk »

xyzelement wrote: post #330

Want to state up-front, I am a dual citizen: an EU member and the US, and I live in the US. So I hope this gives my view some credibility as being grounded in the dual perspective. The sentiment we're seeing in this story/comments and thematically is EU's desire to distance from the US - sure in infrastructure - but more so in identity. Which on the high-level I think is a great goal (ie, Europe should have European…

You might be right but you are missing a lot of nuance here. For instance, yes, Italy is not thinking about growth, true. But Poland? Poland is all about growth, they just made the list of the richest 20 countries in the world.

The real problem here is that EU as an economic block is much less integrated than people think. Pensions? Not integrated. Health insurance? Partially integrated. Exit taxes? A complete mess. Languages? Try speaking English or German or French in Spain. Etc.

EU has demonstrated that you can have local identities (I feel more Neapolitan than "Italian", for instance) and one economic block. Unfortunately, the economic block integration is not as deep as you might expect.

Re: I moved my digital stack to Europe

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Post by kzrdude »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #103
sisve wrote: post #82

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It started 10 years ago, but have def escalated the last year IMHO. Im sorry to say it, but i feel a lot of Europeans have lost a good deal of trust in the US.

The USA is threatening war with the the EU and its allies. A loss of trust doesn't quite convey the seriousness of relationship destruction this causes and the monumental shift that is now happening.

Leaders are not conveying so much about the loss of trust, because they are saving face for the US to try to rescue what little can be rescued of the remaining relationship.
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