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Post by ascagnel_ »

wyldberry wrote: post #321
kergonath wrote: post #302

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You have an occupation force killing bystanders in your streets. Resistance is exactly what is needed.

What's needed is MNPD sharing their data around the criminal illegal aliens with ICE so that they can execute the deportation orders that have already been issued by judges. The structure of your message implies you are not American. DHS posts the people they deport here: https://www.dhs.gov/wow It's really hard to go down that list and say "yeah i'd rather have these people here than have ICE deporting people".

MPD _is_ sharing and coordinating with ICE _when they're supposed to be_. MPD has already transferred ~70 people to ICE for deportation this year alone, after they completed prison sentences (which ICE claimed as their own arrests).

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Post by rtpg »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #360
crystal_revenge wrote: post #178

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I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

> I've never seen the government efficiently action on any data they have collected. Someone else on HN said it would be nice if the NSA published statistics or something, data so aggregate you couldn't determine much from it, but still tells you "holy shit they prevented something crazy" levels of information, harder said than done without revealing too much.

The NSA tried to do this during the Snowden leaks!

There were stories like "look at how we stopped this thing using all this data we've been scooping up"... but often the details lead to somewhat underwhelming realities, to say the least.

It might be that this stuff is very useful, but only in very illegal ways.

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Post by anigbrowl »

lenerdenator wrote: post #114
metalliqaz wrote: post #87

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Miller is not the fall guy. The other clowns, yes, but not him. He's the most hard-core fascist in the bunch.

I don't know if I'd classify Noem as a patsy or fall gal, either. When you mention an anecdote about shooting a hunting dog in your autobiography, that shows something beyond just being a "true believer" or stooge. That is willingly pointing out that you are willing to act out your lack of empathy through violence towards an animal. I'm not a clinician (and haven't met Noem) but that just seems to me to be something…

She's complaining (via 'sources') that she's 'being hung to try' for parroting Stephen Miller's approved line, so I have a hunch she'll bite their ankles on the way out.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by anigbrowl »

andreygrehov wrote: post #110
tptacek wrote: post #74

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They're "investigating", presumably with data gleaned from arrests and CIs; you have a right to speech, and a right not to be prosecuted for speech, but a much, much narrower right not to be "investigated", collapsing to ~epsilon when the investigation involves data the FBI already has.

No. According to the latest reports, while searching for ICE vehicles, the protesters are unlawfully scanning license plates, which strongly suggests they are receiving insider help.

There is nothing unlawful about scanning license plates. You are allowed to photograph them in the same way you are allowed to stand around writing them into a notebook if that activity is your idea of fun. Where do people get these ideas?!

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Post by wyldberry »

Jugglewhoa wrote: post #282
wyldberry wrote: post #268

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It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

Yes because the US was famously the good guy in its forays into the middle east. I love this example because it demonstrates like 5 different levels of ignorance about American politics and foreign relations, plus a good helping of propaganda.

You're projecting a values claim on the American wars in the middle east on me that I didn't make. It's pretty clear that the ME wars were all around bad and evil.

It doesn't change the organization and tactics used to identify targets are the same methods and strategies used by insurgent groups to select targets and attack. AQI was very sophisticated for the technology they had. Their warriors were brave, cunning, and true believers with efficacious systems for what was available to them.

Twenty years of that, plus the rest of the middle east has now made it particularity common knowledge how to run insurgency cells worldwide. This combined with American expertise brought back and with people legally aiding these groups in setting up their C2 structures with what is effective and what works is no surprise.

This investigation should be no surprise to anyone. They use these techniques because they work. They are so effective at target acquisition, monitoring, and selective engagement that if they flipped from their current tactics to more violent ones it would be a large casualty event.

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Post by samename »

gruez wrote: post #334
OutOfHere wrote: post #59

https://www.phreeli.com/ lets people use phones without revealing identity.

Not sure what the point of the service is. Given that it's more expensive than other MVNOs, and isn't even more private. You can still buy prepaid SIMs in store with cash, so it's harder to get more private than that. Not to mention this company asks for your zip+4 code (which identifies down to a specific street), and information for E-911. It's basically like Trump Mobile but for people who care about "privacy".

Can prepaid eSIMs be used anonymously?

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Post by anigbrowl »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56
therobots927 wrote: post #18

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No, they haven’t. This kind of advocacy crosses from lazy nihilism to negligence.

They inarguably won the last election and control 2 branches of government.

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Post by direwolf20 »

gosub100 wrote: post #137
causalscience wrote: post #84

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I've been hearing for years people say "Signal requires phone number therefore I don't use it", and I've been hearing them mocked for years. Turns out they were right.

Suppose they didn't require that. Wouldn't that open themselves up to DDoS? An angry nation or ransom-seeker could direct bots to create accounts and stuff them with noise.

Yes. Cheap–identity systems such as Session and SimpleX are trivially vulnerable to this, and your only defence is to not give out your address as they are unguessable. If you have someone's address, you can spam them, and they can't stop it except by deleting the app or resetting to a new address and losing all their contacts.

SimpleX does better than Session because the address used to add new contacts is different from the address used with any existing contact and is independently revocable. But if that address is out there, you can receive a full queue of spam contacts before you next open the SimpleX app.

Both Session and SimpleX are trivially vulnerable to storage DoS as well.

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Post by 1potatonagger »

nyc_data_geek wrote: post #159
jatora wrote: post #150

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Seems like citizens are the ones who need protection from law and immigration enforcement, considering the public executions we've all witnessed in the past week or so.

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