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FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by dragonwriter »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56
therobots927 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No, they haven’t. This kind of advocacy crosses from lazy nihilism to negligence.

> > > Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

> > The fascists won. That’s why?

> No, they haven’t.

Yes, they did, that’s why they are able to use the executive branch of the federal government to enforce their wishes at the moment, with virtually no constraint yet from the legislative branch, and no significant consequences yet for ignoring contrary orders from the judicial branch.

They may lose at some point in the future, but something that might happen in the future is irrelevant to the question of why what is happening now is happening, and it is happening because they won. Unambiguously.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by tptacek »

ddtaylor wrote: post #6

I don't know signal very well but when I have spoken to others about it they mention that the phone number is the only metadata they will have access to. This seems like a good example of that being enough metadata to be a big problem.

Presumably this is data taken from interdicted phones of people in the groups, not, like, a traffic-analytic attack on Signal itself.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by tptacek »

bediger4000 wrote: post #4

Why? That's unequivocally constitutionally protected speech. Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

They're "investigating", presumably with data gleaned from arrests and CIs; you have a right to speech, and a right not to be prosecuted for speech, but a much, much narrower right not to be "investigated", collapsing to ~epsilon when the investigation involves data the FBI already has.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by nicce »

cyberge99 wrote: post #63
spankalee wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's much of a problem at all. Many of the protesters and observers are not hiding their identities, so finding their phone number isn't a problem. Even with content, coordinating legal activities isn't a problem either.

How do you connect a strangers face to a phone number? Or does it require the ELITE app?

Palantir steps in indeed

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by poplarsol »

bediger4000 wrote: post #4

Why? That's unequivocally constitutionally protected speech. Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

Coordinating roadblocks, "dearrests", warning the subjects of law enforcement operations, and intentionally causing the maximum amount of noise in neighborhoods neighborhood are not things you will be able to get a federal judge to characterize as "constitutionally protected speech".
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