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Post by smsm42 »

perching_aix wrote: post #317
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #315

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> (...) that's a you thing. You have to be tougher than that. They really don't, lol If a community is full of assholes, unwilling to change, walk away! Don't contribute to what you don't want to support. It's just like voting with your wallet. All contingent on whether you can actually afford to do so though, as usual, but I have a hard time believing that interacting on Reddit would be so essential, especially thes…

One guy says "I was lambasted on Reddit", no link, no proof, no hearing the other side, no any substantiation anything actually happened even.

Immediate conclusion: "community is full of assholes, unwilling to change".

This escalated quickly, didn't it?

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Post by embedding-shape »

TomasBM wrote: post #408
mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

I've also noticed this expectation. Where does it come from? FOSS means that the code to be free and open-source , not the schedule or the direction of its developer(s).

I dunno, I think at one point there was a similar merge as to what happened with "git and "github" where "open source the licensing" somehow became the same as "open source the collaborative and open software development process", and nowadays people get kind of confused when you say you're doing open source yet you don't accept pull/merge requests.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

freakynit wrote: post #126
causalscience wrote: post #44

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> Indian students Is this cultural? I ran a small business some years ago (later failed) and was paying for contract work to various people. At the I perceived the pattern that Indian contractors would never ever ask for clarifications, would never say they didn't know something, would never say they didn't understand something, etc. Instead they just ran with whatever they happened to have in their mind, until I cal…

Indian here (~15+ years in tech). I've seen this behavior a lot, and unfortunately, I did some of this myself earlier in my career. Based on my own experience, here are a few reasons (could be a lot more): 1. Unlike most developed countries, in India (and many other develping countries), people in authority are expected to be respected unconditinally(almost). Questioning a manager, teacher, or senior is often seen as…

Could this cultural difference explain why they're set up LLMs to do work for them, though? No authority asked them to, but I guess it would look nice in their resume if successful.

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Post by chrisjj »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #230
koliber wrote: post #212

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I've seen an interesting behavior in India. If I ask someone on the street for directions, they will always give me an answer, even if they don't know. If they don't know, they'll make something up. This was strange. I asked a lot of Indian people about it and they said that it has to do with "saving face". Saying "I don't know" is a disgraceful thing. So if someone does not know the answer, they make something up in…

> I've seen an interesting behavior in India. If I ask someone on the street for directions, they will always give me an answer, even if they don't know. If they don't know, they'll make something up. Isn’t this the precise failure pattern that everybody shits on LLMs for?

Only on surface. The difference is the LLM doesn't know it doesn't know. An LLM provides the best solition it has regardless of whether that solution is in any way fit for purpose.

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Post by embedding-shape »

NegativeK wrote: post #262
mixedbit wrote: post #156

Long time ago Sourceforge and then GitHub promoted into the current default the model of open source distribution which is not sustainable and I doubt it is something that the founding fathers of Free Software/Open Source had in mind. Open source licenses are about freedom of using and modifying software. The movement grew out of frustration that commercial software cannot be freely improved and fixed by the user to…

> has nothing to do with open source I partially disagree. It does have to do with open source: Github (et al) are about creating a community around an open source project. It's hard to get adoption without a community; it gives you valid bug reports, use cases you didn't think of, and patches. You can, if you want, turn off PRs, issues, and literally any feedback from the outside world. But most people don't want th…

> You can, if you want, turn off PRs, issues, and literally any feedback from the outside world. But most people don't want that.

Literally you cannot, you can turn off "Issues", but you cannot turn of pull requests, Microsoft/GitHub forces you to leave that open for others to submit PRs to your repositories no matter what you want.

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Post by nout »

overfeed wrote: post #328
wolvoleo wrote: post #280

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No, but I have noticed that somehow it's hard for them to say "no". This is impolite apparently. So you ask: "Can you do this before friday" and they say yes and then don't do it at all. Which of course is a lot less polite and causes a lot of friction. However this was a thing 10-15 years ago. Lately I've not seen that.

> Which of course is a lot less polite and causes a lot of friction. Most cultures have this, but it goes mostly unnoticed from the inside because one can read between the lines. "How are you?" can be asked just to be polite, and can cause friction when answered truthfully (rather than just politely, as the cultural dance requires). An Eastern European may not appreciate the insincerity of such a question.

A fairly common conversation starter for eastern europeans is "how are you doing?", "it sucks", "yeah it does, doesn't it?". The American style of being all flowers and butterflies can indeed be perceived as lying.

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Post by mandeepj »

metanonsense wrote: post #393
koliber wrote: post #212

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I've seen an interesting behavior in India. If I ask someone on the street for directions, they will always give me an answer, even if they don't know. If they don't know, they'll make something up. This was strange. I asked a lot of Indian people about it and they said that it has to do with "saving face". Saying "I don't know" is a disgraceful thing. So if someone does not know the answer, they make something up in…

I’ve seen this with some of my Indian colleagues, though definitely not all. In fact, most are more than eager to disagree with me :D (even though I’m their superior)

> In fact, most are more than eager to disagree with me :D (even though I’m their superior)

They must have spent a lot of time out of India or they are in senior roles.

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AndrewKemendo wrote: post #361
melvinmelih wrote: post #352

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Almost like…technology embeds the latent behaviors of the data that produced it! Imagine that Someone should really write a paper on that (hint: it’s the entire basis of information theory)

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

0xdeadbeefbabe wrote: post #409
AlanYx wrote: post #359

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A lot of the stuff written on "izzat" is questionable or wrong, but it is true that India has a collective concept of saving face. This can be an adjustment even if you're used to the East Asian concept of saving face.

Oh I wonder how dating works.

... normally? they don't have the same "30% of adults will never marry because of arbitrary bullshit" that modern/western countries have.

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Post by saghm »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #398
lostlogin wrote: post #340

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Great example. I work in a radiology practice and greet patients regularly. 99% of them say the are good/great etc. It’s quite a striking response when they are limping, bandaged and on crutches.

Is that just a reflex response though? I would expect people to be more deliberate in their interactions with medical professionals, but I can easily imagine hearing “How are you?” and my brain goes on autopilot.

Yeah, this is something I had to learn over my teenage/early 20s years. "How are you?" Is often not a question but just a generic greeting like "Hello" or "Nice to meet you". Sometimes it is though, but that's just one of the many examples of unwritten rules about how to tell whether someone literally means what they're saying or if there's a better way to interpret it.

Having only lived in the US, I don't have nearly enough firsthand experience with other cultures for me to be the one to comment on them, but I suspect that every culture has some things like this where the actual intent of the communication isn't direct. I suspect that if people in tech were asked to identify which cultures they considered to be the most direct in their communication, American culture probably wouldn't be ranked first. Generally the stereotypes of other cultures that are perceived as more direct get described in more pejorative terms like "blunt" though.

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