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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by pandaman »

afavour wrote: post #278
chii wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> dual intent visa. the gov't doesn't intent this visa to be dual purpose. It is a job visa first and foremost, and the path to PR is at best a secondary concern for the gov't.

If the government doesn’t intend for it to be a dual intent visa why did they make it a dual intent visa? This is all very much under their control!

It's made a dual intent because it's impossible to prove the lack of immigration intent for any long-term visa. It's not the only dual intent visa, almost every long-term non-immigrant visa is dual-intent for this reason. Even the TN, which is not proclaimed a dual intent is such de facto since the TN visitors don't have to prove the lack of immigrant intent either. The reason TN is such an exception is that it's not issued by the DoS and the concept of "dual intent" exists only as a legal fiction around the DoS procedures.

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

gabereiser wrote: post #388
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #374

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Again a massive no true Scotsman stretch. GP asked if we could make FAANG money as a contractor and you claim four fold... If you have the network, money and sub-hire a bunch of people. Ok sure but then it's not a like for like comparison. Most ppl in contracting are just interested in FTE work, with a better rate, tax framework, less office politics, etc. Very few want to go full Cognizant.

Has asked how he could make FAANG money as a consultant, not a contractor. Those are different.

I see perhaps somewhat lost in translation. In Europe a contractor is often referred to as an external consultant and _actual_ "Consultancy" are somewhat interchangeable terms but one is John's LLC and the other is BCG's pricetag consultants.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #305
inemesitaffia wrote: post #153

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No. This is 100% just informed by your ideology. Enough said. Don’t peddle that here. When people actually discuss the advantages of diversity in the workplace, the advantages exist due to actual diversity, not just “a non-white-male voice”. You’ll no doubt cite some extreme view or vocal minority to justify making this assumption, but it is not what most people mean most of the time. You’re painting a false reality…

Look, I'm very sure there's women only companies and minority only companies that claim they are diverse. It's not hard to find. (I'm black and I have eyes). Some of them covered in articles stating that thier composition is growing diversity. Or talking about how their diversity helps. People forget about diversity in experience & experiences. You can't all be devs after all.

I remember a body shop in Austin that recently made it into the news for allegedly putting up an ad for a white people only job linked to Berkshire.

Everyone there looked from the Indian subcontinent. The board had Middle eastern and black people.

No visibly Hispanic or White people or Black people among the rank and file in an Austin company.

Stop the pretence please.

Yes.

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Post by mikewarot »

Zetice wrote: post #149
mikewarot wrote: post #99

I abhor any system that results in second hand citizens, such as the H1B program. It suppresses the general welfare, in service of capital. If I were able to, I'd give everyone in the program an immediate option for citizenship, and then cancel it. We clearly need to reform our immigration system.

H1Bs aren’t second hand citizens, and canceling the H1B program would trigger an immediate humanitarian crisis, not to mention completely shut off America’s main advantage in innovation; the idea that we don’t care where you’re from if you’re great at what you do.

I'm sorry, I thought the idiom was more widely used[1]

Generally, I'm opposed to any type of class distinction.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-class_citizen#

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Post by tamimio »

thrw32845 wrote: post #249
burnerburnson wrote: post #103

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I'm a manager of a team that's mostly H1Bs at Google. It's mostly fine but a few of them just refuse improve their English, and it's frustrating spending hours every day just being an English teacher to an engineer who writes at a 5th grade level. The problem with hiring too many H1Bs is they speak to each other in Chinese and thus take forever to become proficient at communicating with the rest of the company. Also,…

I find it interesting that H1B implies Indian or Chinese workers. As a South African I don't know why you don't hire more English speakers that would be H1Bs. I myself have tried to get an H1B and so far the door has been closed. It's been easier for me to move to a European country where I had to learn another language.

In tech or IT, the ones who hires are mostly indians so mostly prefer to hire from there, I think even in Canada international students acceptance process, there were some complains that the majority of these students are from India.

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Post by smoldesu »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #401
InvaderFizz wrote: post #5

This is the only part of the article that matters, and even it is a stretch: > Just a month after Sundar Pichai announced Google’s plan to cut 12,000 jobs around the world in January, the company filed applications for H1B visas to hire software engineers, analytical consultants, user experience researchers and other roles from outside the United States, with several requests aimed for new Google employees to join in…

This article, and the one it is based on, is just rage bait. Sadly, this topic specifically works really well in HN.

OP's submission history is just page-after-page of it: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=donnie12345

It's not really being submitted in good-faith. My advice is to flag submissions with edited titles, and ignore the obvious outrage porn. It seems to work, more often than not.

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Post by Zetice »

nec4b wrote: post #436
Zetice wrote: post #403

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My family and neighbors aren’t occupying 3.7 million square miles and aren’t numbered in the hundreds of millions, so the analogy does not hold.

At what square footage does it start holding then? At what point do you start caring more for others than your family and vice versa?

When you aren’t the sole owner of the resources being managed. Once you establish a commons, you need a bureaucracy of some kind to manage it.

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Post by jncfhnb »

mdorazio wrote: post #425
iepathos wrote: post #94

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There are stats you can find if you look for it. Something like 5-10% was made up of actual engineers. Large majority was sales, marketing, HR, product and design, recruiting, and finance. I've only seen stats for Google but assume it was similar at most other companies with the exception of Twitter.

Again, what stats? Because that doesn't appear to be the case at all according to [1]. But let's take your word for it since you didn't provide a source. Here's an actual hard number: 170,000 tech workers cut this year alone (plus more last year) [2]. Let's use your 5% lower bound. That's 9,000 engineers. I hope you'll agree that's a lot. [1] https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/21/23692515/tech-worke... [2] https:/…

9000 is not a lot, and your own first link states tech roles have net increased, not decreased.

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Post by Zetice »

nec4b wrote: post #437
Zetice wrote: post #421

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If my house were like a country, it would be quite convenient and I would indeed open my home to everyone willing to participate in my social contract. But my home isn’t in any way like a country, so this question isn’t meaningful.

So your logic doesn't apply for your home, for your neighborhood or your city? Does it hold for you state or do you need to become completely independent country?

Huh? My home isn’t a commons and requires no management of a shared resource.

You need a bureaucracy once you have a shared resource, and at that point no one is entitled to the resource more than anyone else.

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Post by JeremyNT »

6D794163636F756 wrote: post #423
whiterace1488 wrote: post #411

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I've had multiple coworkers remove comments or reject CRs because there were too many comments. If you foster a culture where comments are discouraged then it's less of an impediment

I mean you still have to comment on issues, and even within the code itself you need to name things in ways that make sense to others.

It's not that English specifically is required to do this, but if the organization is American it does seem like English would be the default and proficiency would be pretty important.

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