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EU Signs €145B Declaration to Develop Next Gen Processors and 2nm Technology

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Post by nixass »

kortilla wrote: post #387
TMWNN wrote: post #380

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>That's an understandable reaction if you just look at the raw USD value, but that's very far from the full picture. They are not pitiful when you start adding the costs for housing, healthcare, transportation and the rest of the things that you need to live. At $45,284 the US has the highest household net disposable income per capita in the OECD ( http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/united-states/ ), where…

And that’s not even specific to tech salaries. A typical Bay Area TC of $250-400k for a senior engineer will also include great healthcare so there is basically no competition in any European location. You have to specifically want to live in a European city for the culture/walkability/etc or else there is just no reason to take tech jobs there.

> Bay Area TC of $250-400k for a senior engineer

You know not all IT people are senior engineers nor they share vision of the world exported by the Hollywood

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Post by ascari »

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I visited the UK and the first thing I noticed when I was walking around the cities and towns as how much they stunk of diesel. Air quality made even the worst of US cities look good..

That is from old diesel cars. They are getting banned from cities.

Not sure, if anywhere other than London is moving away really. Especially considering bad public transport outside London, many people has to stick driving to city centres with cheap diesels. My manager was paying £30 road tax for his old diesel whereas my ULEZ compliant car costs above £330.

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Post by jcelerier »

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What ? there's a shitton of good research done on H2020 funds

Any examples?

you can check out this for a meta-analysis: https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/8/6/e021864.full.pdf and then, https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_sdt=0%2C5&q="funded"+"... and add any field you'd like

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Post by mensetmanusman »

kingosticks wrote: post #272
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> aerospace Airbus is absolutely crushing Boeing in terms of quality. Granted, we are woefully behind on the 'space' part of aerospace. > energy CERN is anchored to the EU. ITER is anchored to the EU. We are world leaders in wind energy. > telecom Except for everyone in the West scrambling to replace Huawei with Ericsson tech. > drugs / biotech BioNtech made the first breakthrough on a COVID vaccine. The EU has many…

> Except for everyone in the West scrambling to replace Huawei with Ericsson tech. That's entirely political and nothing to do with the tech. Huawei's tech is arguably better, cheaper (and available now).

Huawei’s tech is better per $ because they skipped years of R&D that they didn’t have to price in. I remember when their products included Cisco manuals.

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Post by CryptoPunk »

rusk wrote: post #262
CryptoPunk wrote: post #219

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It is arguably quite ideological to insist that a large monopolistic bureaucracy, or a conglomeration of them - e.g. the EU - will be efficient in allocating vast amounts of resources when basic game and microeconomic theory suggests otherwise. Still, an argument for state subsidies, despite some inevitable degree of inefficiency, can be made.

Point was that despite repeated successes with this style of investment the libhurdurians still insist it’s a bad idea, totally blind to the fact that lassaiz affaire is just as prone to degeneration. It’s ideology as much as any other approach and when you find people insisting on it without any concrete examples it’s just plain ideology you’re dealing with and there’s just no point wasting your time.

I'm a libhurdurian and I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. A public goods argument can be made for strategic investments.

I also don't think it's been conclusively shown that there have been "repeated successes with this style of investment". Demonstrating that would require knowing what the opportunity cost of the spending for these projects was, which is impossible. Claiming it's an open-and-shut case that these kinds of investments will yield positive results is just as ideological as you accuse dissenters of being.

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Post by ladyanita22 »

worik wrote: post #354
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> They did nothing and just ate through the resources until they were no more. Those resources they ate through -- when were they accumulated? I find it hard to believe that they became a superpower by just coasting on the wealth that existed in 1917.

In 1917 they were in ruins. in 1940 they went toe to toe with the worlds greatest industrial super power (or second greatest - depending how you count) in war and won. The economic development achieved by the Soviet Union in the first half of its reign was incredible. They made the best rockets, fighter planes, super computers.... But they never made a TV with a remote control.

You seem to forget that oil became an increasingly important resource. And the USSR had a LOT of oil. Look at how Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Norway developed, and then look at the USSR.

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Post by ladyanita22 »

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in 1940 they went toe to toe with the worlds greatest industrial super power (or second greatest - depending how you count) in war and won. Yes, by throwing ten million of their own citizens at the problem. They won because Hitler ran out of bullets before Stalin ran out of targets.

And what was the alternative? The German’s objective was to literally clear the land out for German settlers. By killing everyone inhabiting those lands. For soviets it was a matter of giving at least some chance of survival to women and children they were trying to protect. Imagine all those soldiers who knew they had to sacrifice their lives. And you try to reduce their bravery to being “Stalin’s targets”.

We're not talking about what should have been done, but at how efficient the USSR was.

It. was. not at all.

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Post by Krasnol »

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> For instance creating a company that never makes money isn't a problem in the US thanks to a mix of this culture and bottomless VC money. Whereas that would be perceived as failure by family and friends in Europe. I guess that's related to the US dept culture too. Not having money but borrowing it for all kinds of things and with that stacking dept upon dept is quite normal in the US while over here at the continen…

Interestingly, in German the word for debt - “schuld” - is the same as the word for guilt. Having lived in Germany for 7+ years, I noticed there’s a strong sentiment against owing money in general. Odd, considering the crazy high real-state prices these days. People also seem to save a lot, and consume much less than in other western nations I’ve lived at, or visited. This may be causing broad economic issues as the…

True but there is a difference between "jemandem etwas schulden" and a actual credit for a house or something:

Owing someone you know money is probably the worst. You want to get rid of that "Schuld" asap. Even if it's an Euro you borrowed for an Einkaufswagen.

Than there is the "credit" for things you should actually pay from money you have or otherwise not buy at all. Like a fridge or a TV or something like that. You usually don't go around and tell other people that you did that. You pretend that you actually paid for it and that it's yours. This is also where US debt-culture comes into Europe though. You can see for years now that shops encourage going into debt for those kind of products. They try to normalize it because it's easy to hide and pretend.

Third are really big investments like a house or a business. Taking a credit there and discussing those with your friends and relatives is nothing that is frowned upon. Nobody expects you to have that kind of money (and if you had, you'd probably not admit to it).

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Post by kwere »

Nursie wrote: post #361
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That's an understandable reaction if you just look at the raw USD value, but that's very far from the full picture. They are not pitiful when you start adding the costs for housing, healthcare, transportation and the rest of the things that you need to live. Compared to the huge wage increase, the increase in living standard is very minor (and in some regards worse, e.g. the amount of time you lose daily to the car c…

They still are pretty pitiful across Europe even after that, compared to Canada and Australia as well as the US. In the UK the problem seems to be the company owner/manager class see software people roughly the same as any other office worker, rather than as skilled producers of products. As a result they pay peanuts, and then are surprised when they get less than stellar results. Not sure what the reason might be el…

italy is the same and maybe worse (outside of Milan bubble)
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