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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by mat_b »

andyroid wrote: post #413
aurareturn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?

It's writing nearly all of the code where I work. It also reviews all of the code (I review it as well). You still have to guide it and hold its hand though. I dont write code by hand anymore (and haven't in almost a year). The job is now about managing the bots, understanding the architecture and keep everything aligned.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by doc_ick »

mikeocool wrote: post #284
rfgplk wrote: post #148

I suspect this is the future of most businesses. Even today, one person can effectively replicate Microsoft from the early 2000s.

One person can build a $22 billion company (in year 2000 dollars) that sells an operating system used by 97% of personal computers, the world’s most popular office suite, along with a bunch of other software used by virtually every company in the world, and is on the verge of releasing a wildly popular gaming console system? Do you have any examples of this?

Don’t worry, just give them a year and infinite tokens and they can make windows me.

Just have to view their “trust me bro” rating.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by vector_spaces »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408
bootsmann wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this is true at all. Maybe if you have an agent writing some of your code it will be 99% because its so verbose but I don’t think the modal software engineer is a vibecoder.

If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

The certitude with which you condemn your peer without the slightest consideration for subtlety or alternate explanations for what you've understood to be true -- this comment is such a beautiful encapsulation of the state of discourse today. In some ways it is the modal comment of the moment. Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy for violence

It's a work of art

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by sjsjjsjsjs »

whstl wrote: post #330
piterrro wrote: post #31

Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market y…

After seeing a crazy amount of non-programmers, sometimes with 10 years of experience, basically turning off their brains and offloading most their thinking to some LLM and turning their days into "please check this product and tell me what I should do next", I don't see why not. I've seen: designers, performance marketers, data scientists, SEO experts, product managers, engineering managers, CRM expert, all using it…

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Post by antupis »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

we aren't anywhere near lights off software factories, and writing software is easiest domain for modern llms, you can verify results rather easily, plenty of training data etc.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by lnsru »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

You’re mixing things up. Coding is work while managing is status. Management will force the peasants to use any pitchfork management wants. But giving status and power away will never happen. It’s obvious that there enough managers to replace with AI for positive outcome. Bet it will never happen.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by hypfer »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

> Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code.

It is?

Are you sure that this is a representative reading that applies to more than just a tiny bubble?

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by jeffreygoesto »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

All extrapolations are wrong. Even this one. We just don't know how.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by zyngaro »

nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

Did you try adding tests.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by Njin »

andyroid wrote: post #413
aurareturn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?

You're right, no one has "an agent" writing 99% of the code. Now people have swarms of agents writing 99% of the code :)
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