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Post by FireBeyond »

nonethewiser wrote: post #385

This would be pretty sad if she did help him evade ICE. He was in court for battery charges and in the country illegally. ICE arresting him does not interfere with any due process. Which he 100% needs to get (but arresting him is still part of that). What is left here thats worth protecting? Not someone we want in the country and the agents had a warrant for his arrest (court comes after that). I feel like this is a…

> He was in court for battery charges

Oh I’m sorry, I misread, I thought you said he had been convicted of something.

The law is very important to you when it’s a misdemeanor immigration offense but that whole innocent till proven guilty thing is just an inconvenience.

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Post by QuercusMax »

pc86 wrote: post #393
hackinthebochs wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You can't beat the ride" is saying that cops can punish you regardless of whether what you did was illegal.

That's certainly one interpretation of it, and a pretty reasonable one. However, I typically interpret it as "if the police think you've committed a crime, you are going to jail and almost nothing is going to stop that." In that incredibly famous "Don't Talk to the Police" talk[0], the attorney asks the former-cop-turned-law-student if he's every been convinced not to arrest someone based on what the suspect said. No…

I think we're all agreeing here. "You can't beat the ride" means that if the cops want to arrest you, lock you up, etc., you can't do anything about it. Doesn't matter if you're guilty, innocent, or just a random bystander, you're not going to stop them from taking you and doing whatever they want in the process.

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Post by Hikikomori »

kemayo wrote: post #297
hypeatei wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My optimistic take is that this is the sort of stupid overreach that works to turn other arms of government against the executive This is your take given the blatant corruption and clear constitutional violations of this administration? Sure, let's hope that norms and vibes save us against an executive ignoring due process. Those other branches don't even have a way to enforce anything; the executive are the ones w…

The power of the executive is constrained, ultimately, by what people let them do. Including people inside the executive branch -- the people who're doing the arresting, transporting the prisoners, gunning down the protesters, etc. There's a lot of people involved who aren't committed to some authoritarian project, they're just... doing their job. They can be swayed by vibes, and general unpopularity of the regime. T…

Like this judge they're being ousted for the smallest pushback and are being replaced by project 2025 people, they even set up a system that you can apply to do exactly this. Trump (or Vance that is fully in with Thiel) will have full control over all agencies where all low level employees are on board with this Christo fascist takeover and the judiciary will be powerless.

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Post by lolinder »

esbranson wrote: post #408
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under any occasion, it was inappropriate to arrest a judge like this. We’re honestly at the point where I’d be comfortable with armed militias defending state and local institutions from federal police. If only to force someone to think twice about something like this. (To be clear, I’m not happy we’re here. But we are.)

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Party composition changes over time, and the people who made up the KKK switched parties starting when JFK backed the civil rights movement. It's the right wing militias that are the spiritual successors to the KKK, not the Democratic party.

As much as I wish we had a Republican party that was an actual successor to Lincoln's, that's not how political parties work.

https://economics.princeton.edu/working-papers/why-did-the-d...

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Post by nonethewiser »

sarlalian wrote: post #428
nonethewiser wrote: post #385

This would be pretty sad if she did help him evade ICE. He was in court for battery charges and in the country illegally. ICE arresting him does not interfere with any due process. Which he 100% needs to get (but arresting him is still part of that). What is left here thats worth protecting? Not someone we want in the country and the agents had a warrant for his arrest (court comes after that). I feel like this is a…

I'll correct my previous statement, it does appear in the legal brief about the judge being arrested that he was here illegally. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11...

So the articles you read were.... imprecise, at best.

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Post by exe34 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #321
pjc50 wrote: post #150

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> incredibly doubtful that they could be successfully prosecuted for this. But they can be successfully arrested. You can beat the rap but not the ride, etc. The US is not yet at the level of dysfunction where jurisdiction is settled with gunfire, but ICE seem to be determined to move that closer.

The fact the FBI participated in this arrest is chilling. ICE being a proto secret police seems to be perceived already. The FBI now? There’s question whether the ICE agents even had legal grounds to demand arrest regardless, whether they had a warrant, etc - and the facts established are pretty clearly not prosecutable. So this is pure intimidation, going after the judicial in what will likely be a flagrantly abusiv…

> ICE being a proto secret police

people think the Musk administration is dumb and incompetent, but this is incredibly clever. ICE is the prefect cover for a new unaccountable secret police.

anybody can be disappeared under the excuse of illegal immigration. if there's no due process, they can come for you and you have no recourse.

plenty of MAGAs are so ready to shout "but they're criminals" - and they still don't understand that it could be them next.

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Post by mjburgess »

trothamel wrote: post #422
mjburgess wrote: post #357

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If this is all true, it still requires the judge be under some legal order to facilitate the deportation -- unless they have a warrant of the relevant type, the judge is under no such obligation. With a standard (administrative) warrant, ICE have no authority to demand the arrest.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1071 That's a general applicable law that prevents anyone - judge or not - from interfering with an apprehension.

That applies to warrants for arrest. The standard warrant ICE operate with is a civil warrant, and does not confer any actual authority to arrest an individual.

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Post by whoknowsidont »

kansface wrote: post #389
whoknowsidont wrote: post #12

Democratic states really need to start disallowing federal agents to operate within their borders and band together. Activate their respective national guards and make it happen. Yes, that means defying federal law. Yes that means exactly the consequences you want to draw from those actions. There is no other option at this point. The law is dead in the U.S.

No, absolutely not. Trump would federalize the national guard as did Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson and charge the governors with treason. You advocate for de facto succession of the states - we settled that matter with blood last time. The next time will be far worse. The rule of law does not prohibit bad arrests nor can it. The rule of law provides the opportunity for remedy after the fact.

How are you or anyone else going to remedy anything when you're half a world away, with no access to anyone let alone _anything_ outside your death camp?

Absolutely yes. This needs to stop right here, and the consequences for violating the rule of law, for violating due process, for violating human rights, must be real.

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Post by tyre »

staticman2 wrote: post #118
bluGill wrote: post #19

This will be interesting for the 5th amendment. They cannot arrest you for putting "drug dealer" on your tax forms as your job since you are compelled to answer that question honestly. The defendant was compelled to appear in court which means he couldn't protect his own privacy by being elsewhere - are these the same thing? I don't know how courts will see it, but it is an interesting legal question that I hope some…

I'm not sure if this is intended to be a hypothetical but there is no IRS form where "Drug Dealer" is the correct answer. Drug dealing income would be disclosed as "Other income". If you volunteer "drug dealer" my guess is they could use it against you. Similar to showing up at FBI headquarters and shouting "I'm a drug dealer!"

I believe there is a space for bribery income

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Post by axus »

Aeolun wrote: post #388
sanderjd wrote: post #333

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The thesis is that immigrants have no constitutional rights because they aren't citizens, or the stronger form, that they are invaders and thus enemy combatants. The Supreme Court is going to have to clarify the existence or non-existence of constitutional rights for people living here unlawfully. And then the populace is going to have to make sure that the president doesn't conclude that he can ignore that ruling if…

On that basis tourists have no constitutional rights either. I find it hard to believe anyone would want to visit the US now, but surely that has an even further chilling effect.

Axios was keeping a list, but I guess there's too many to keep track recently:

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/20/tourists-us-residents-detai...

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