What convinces all of the aliens to crash their UFOs in America? Or is every govt part of the conspiracy?
It does seem like America is the best as having UFO stories and alien conspiracies.
Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites
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#432> “I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which I was denied access,” Grusch told the committee. So he's got hearsay but no hands-on or eyes-on direct proof. Like Mulder, I want to believe. But if you're going to speak under oath, you've got to do better than this.
He had names of people willing to testify, names of people to investigate, and exact locations of where to look. All of which he offered in a scif in accordance with the requirements of his clearance level. As soon as they get approved for the scif, then they'll see very quickly if he was full of shit or not.
Exactly, so until we see any skerrick of that information, what we have to date is useless.
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#433Commercial airlines apparently experience crashes at a rate of 6 per 100,000,000 flights. I wasn't able to find a figure from the testimony as to how many craft are claimed to have been recovered. The best I could find was an anonymous quote from a Vox article of 12+. Applying the commercial airline stat to 12 crashes over 80 years results in almost 7,000 alien flights per day (just over the US). There are 25,000 fli…
Your logic is based on the assumption that those alien crafts were intending to come to Earth. Perhaps they were intending to go somewhere else, and crashed into Earth mistakenly? Then the volume of total flights could be much larger, and the proportion of crashes could be much smaller.
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#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does someone being a credentialed US intelligence official make their public statements more or less trustworthy than the average person?
Certainly to me, especially given he’s testified under oath to multiple congressional committees and the ICIG. He’s made some outrageous accusations that absolutely need to be investigated. Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.
> Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.
There are some other possibilities. My main theory for what Grusch specifically is talking about is that intelligence agencies probably deliberately sprinkle different fake programs into the lists that different people are given access to, so that when information leaks, they can track who is doing the leaking.
Someone probably had a little too much fun creating fake documentation of alien corpses and crashed spacecraft instead of something less world-changing, and some of the folks who ended up being assigned material from that set felt like that was getting into territory that the public really did deserve to know about, because it would change everything if it were true.
It would not only explain the entire Grusch side of this discussion, but the reactions it's gotten from different branches of government. Everyone who knew about the leak-detection mechanism would be tight-lipped because they wouldn't want to disclose its existence. So it would look like an attempted coverup, but it would be a coverup of a security mechanism, not space aliens.
I actually found the story more believable until some of the specific testimony today. A red cube with sides as long as a football field? Where would Boeing even hide such a thing from other countries' spy satellites? Three-dimensional shadows of hyperdimensional objects? That's a really neat idea, but I think it fails the test of Occam's Razor in this case.
Military pilots encountering strange phenomena is a separate bucket, IMO. The US military has some of the best pilots and equipment in the world. I trust that if a bunch of them say they saw something strange, especially with visual, radar, and thermal evidence, there was something strange out there. But OTOH, I think it's an enormous stretch to attribute it to space aliens. It's probably a mixture of rare natural phenomena, classified/experimental aircraft of one sort or another, and mundane objects behaving very oddly when they're far outside their normal context.
When I used to work in a skyscraper, I once looked out the window and saw what looked like some sort of tear in spacetime dancing around the sky. Absolutely black, but with a chaotic silhouette that would smoothly ripple, then suddenly jerk into a new shape. I watched it for several minutes, and it kept going. Eventually it got close enough for me to see that it was just a black garbage bag that had somehow ended up in the right air current to be whisked around almost endlessly. I never did see it land, or even get close to the ground.
I'd love for Grusch's story to be true, but at this point I'll believe it when I see it.
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#435This whole thing smells like a distraction from something else brewing.
End of the Gulf Stream?
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#436People often joke about how the US should make aircraft that look like UFOs so that people don't take them seriously, but they don't consider the corollary: adversaries could make aircraft that look like UFOs, so that we don't take reported sightings of strange objects seriously.
If I was an alien I'm sure I'd have a good idea of what humans think UFOs look like
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be honest, the more I see the government leak little tidbits about aliens, the less I believe there are aliens.
The government is not leaking anything. If you watched and knew about the people who testified today, they are whistleblowers. They are going against the government. And they have been administratively terrorized. That’s their word.
They can be whistleblowers and still part of the conspiracy without being in on it. I can buy the Pentagon working on some advanced technology outside the purview of Congress. I can also buy that it's so secret that the response to such first-hand accounts are "Nothing to see here; move along" and if people press too hard they're told "It's aliens. Don't tell anyone - for obvious reasons"
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Grusch cannot legally divulge classified information publicly. Nobody can. Congresspeople can. They can stand up and read classified information into the record. They can’t be prosecuted for it, because of the Speech and Debate Clause.
How often is that done? I'm overwhelmingly in favor of transparency and disclosure, but there are pretty big national current security concerns here.
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#439This is a clown show.
When do we get a horse senator?
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not worth much because if there is a community that doesn't know about it, then of course they won't support it. If they do know about it, and haven't already disclosed it, then of course they won't support it. So basically "take that for what it's worth" in both cases is 0.
I happen to know that there’s a teapot on the other side of the moon. You just can’t see it. Now it’s on you to disprove my teapot theory. In case you didn't pick it up, the evidentiary proof is on the claimant not the interrogator.
We get it, you're extremely intelligent.