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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by mmcwilliams »

likeabbas wrote: post #232
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity he…

> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

Does someone being a credentialed US intelligence official make their public statements more or less trustworthy than the average person?

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Post by RetpolineDrama »

All I can say is that the archives of these threads/comments are going to be _highly_ entertaining to our future-selves (hello future people reading this!).

The amount of ignorance on display is overwhelming, and a lot of people who fancy themselves intelligent are going to struggle to come to terms with how they were so wrong for so long.

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Post by likeabbas »

mmcwilliams wrote: post #261
likeabbas wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

Does someone being a credentialed US intelligence official make their public statements more or less trustworthy than the average person?

Certainly to me, especially given he’s testified under oath to multiple congressional committees and the ICIG. He’s made some outrageous accusations that absolutely need to be investigated. Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.

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Post by micah94 »

dwringer wrote: post #172
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #118

Snowden spent quite a bit of time looking for UFO stuff since he had access to almost everything classified and never found any evidence. I’m not saying this whistleblower is definitely lying, but if anyone was capable and willing to bring this forward with receipts, Snowden would’ve done so.

Isn't the majority of what Snowden leaked still being privately held from the public?

Snowden only released data on projects that were no longer active. He did that deliberately. I personally believe it's the reason he's still alive. A bit inconvenienced but still above-ground.

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Post by likeabbas »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #196
shepardrtc wrote: post #178

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> > putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line > They aren't... > Totally irrational. Ok you just proved why they're putting their reputation and career on the line... people calling it irrational.

Sorry, to be clear my point is that 1. They have no reputations to put on the line 2. They didn't do anything risky This isn't like we're talking about the AF Chief of Staff or some major leader in a field. So there's nothing to put on the line, they were nobodies before this and once it dies off they will be nobodies again. Said differently, this whole debacle will make them MORE famous and employable than they were…

1. Grusch gave up his career in the intelligence community to whistleblow on this. He had everything to lose.

2. Grusch has testified under oath to the ICIG, both intelligence committees, and now to the house oversight committee. If he’s locking, they could lock him away indefinitely.

Your entire argument is moot and you are looking for any excuse to discredit what’s being said. If you think he’s lying, ask your congressmen to investigate his claims and jail him if he’s lying.

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Post by [deleted] »

RetpolineDrama wrote: post #262

All I can say is that the archives of these threads/comments are going to be _highly_ entertaining to our future-selves (hello future people reading this!). The amount of ignorance on display is overwhelming, and a lot of people who fancy themselves intelligent are going to struggle to come to terms with how they were so wrong for so long.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

likeabbas wrote: post #252
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. This is way more common than you think it is and again, not special. I prepped multiple PDBs from 2012-2015 while at DIA and then again while on the JS/J2 staff. Delivering a segment of the…

What was your rank? How many SAPs were you read into? Having Top Secret SCI clearance does not give you immediate access to every SAP you request to be read into. Most people are not read into more that a dozen SAPs. I’ll also point out that if Grusch was an unexceptional IC officer, the pentagon would easily be able to discredit him as such. To date, the pentagon has not attempted to say anything about Grusch’s cred…

I answered all this elsewhere

My record is public so you can verify by yourself

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

mmcwilliams wrote: post #261
likeabbas wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US. Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

Does someone being a credentialed US intelligence official make their public statements more or less trustworthy than the average person?

Neither in my experience - hence you should take my position with salt and do your own research

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Post by friend_and_foe »

zehaeva wrote: post #214
Ancalagon wrote: post #116

It’s a good call out - the ability of the government to keep secrets across decades. But - tinfoil hat time - have they not demonstrated their ability to do this wrt the knowledge around nuclear weapons? Edit: and considering the claimed abilities of UAP, might those technologies be on par (in terms of military might) with the technology behind nuclear weapons? Also, that bit about a spaceship needing a biological pi…

You mean our nuclear weapons where the secrets were leaked[0] to other governments repeatedly? Those secrets? The secrets that we executed both of the Rosenbergs over? No our government has not demonstrated their ability to keep secrets over the span of a few years, let alone decades. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies

I don't disagree with you, but you have to remind yourself of a potential bias: you only hear of the secrets they didn't successfully keep. The ones they kept successfully you obviously wouldn't have heard about, by definition. Who's to say this hearing isn't an example of them losing control over a secret?
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