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> I was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access that’s bullshit, but i’ll believe it.
Stuff like this always hits the news when really bad shit is either going down or about to go down.
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>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity he…
They aren't because there is literally no new data, none Grusch cannot legally divulge classified information publicly. Nobody can. Instant jail time- see Manning, etc. So no, obviously, we couldn't possibly have seen data or proof today. He can, however, discuss it with Congress and the whistleblower program in a secure setting and has done so (as he mentioned many dozens of times under oath today) and is willing to…
Congresspeople can. They can stand up and read classified information into the record. They can’t be prosecuted for it, because of the Speech and Debate Clause.
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I can see where it might sound that way if you haven't watched the testimony. "I provided this classified information under oath to the inspector general" is not an avoidance tactic but a direction where to locate classified info. "I'll tell you later" on the surface might sound like an avoidance tactic, but when he was asked when he could provide it the answer was "immediately after today's session." In other words,…
Willing to get arrested would be a huge signal that he's an actual whistleblower and not full of shit! There's almost no chance he'd face any consequences given the topic and the amount of support he'd have the from the public, and even then, Daniel Hale's sentence for disclosing dozens of classified documents to reporters was ~3.5yrs in jail. The LARPers pretending like he'd be sent to gitmo are completely in lala l…
Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.
I cast doubt because these people never actually show any legitimate evidence, despite their supposed career appointments. If you're going to put your career and reputation on the line, actually show or leak something that makes people believe you. Otherwise, themselves and their titles only seek to perpetuate an average news story or cover up for something else the government is doing.
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Can you explain why?
Can’t say for that for the intelligence community, but UFO people on podcasts claim his claims are being fed to him and are likely psyops misdirections. He also has no direct knowledge it’s all stuff he heard from other people in the government.
And certainly, "a government lies and has secrets" ranks well above "aliens are in our skies" in terms of likelyhood. Occam's Razor and all.
But, I don't know if this sounds like a psyop to me.
One, Grush says that many (dozens?) of people (whose names he has provided to the whistleblower office) spoke to him about these alleged programs. Dozens or people push this psyop... why? The government wants to convince people that it is... even shadier than we thoughts? Or is this some thing they cooked up to ensnare Grusch specifically?
Is our government secretive and scary? Oh yeah. But if this is a psyop then I don't see how it helps them.
Commercial airlines apparently experience crashes at a rate of 6 per 100,000,000 flights. I wasn't able to find a figure from the testimony as to how many craft are claimed to have been recovered. The best I could find was an anonymous quote from a Vox article of 12+. Applying the commercial airline stat to 12 crashes over 80 years results in almost 7,000 alien flights per day (just over the US). There are 25,000 fli…
Or it could be you’ve made a ridiculous assumption by comparing commercial airlines to UFOs in the first place.
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They aren't because there is literally no new data, none Grusch cannot legally divulge classified information publicly. Nobody can. Instant jail time- see Manning, etc. So no, obviously, we couldn't possibly have seen data or proof today. He can, however, discuss it with Congress and the whistleblower program in a secure setting and has done so (as he mentioned many dozens of times under oath today) and is willing to…
> Grusch cannot legally divulge classified information publicly. Nobody can. Congresspeople can. They can stand up and read classified information into the record. They can’t be prosecuted for it, because of the Speech and Debate Clause.
I'm overwhelmingly in favor of transparency and disclosure, but there are pretty big national current security concerns here.
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If they aren’t bringing evidence, it’s a waste of people’s time. Taking a big risk that is most likely a very bad decision shouldn’t provide any credibility at all. Do that when you can show evidence, and then you have credibility.
Grusch gave program names, people involved, and locations of these special access programs purported to be reverse engineering non human technology to the ICIG and both intelligence committees in congress. Call your congressman and ask if he is credible.
Program names mean nothing unless you can look up their details as they're usually fancy codenames that spark everyone's tin foil hats. Makes for a great news story and a conversation on HN about "what it might be" but apart from that its useless.
I’m a huge skeptic, but I’ve been following this very closely over the past few months. Fermi’s paradox has two good answers — we don’t see aliens because they don’t exist, or we don’t see them because they are here already. They should be here already. The paradox is about why we don’t see them. Being skeptical is different than doubt-by-default. A skeptic is curious and slow to judge. So with great curiosity, I’ve…
Given the limit of the speed of information and the expansion of the universe, there's a VERY small area that would even be aware of the signals we've started sending out over the past century to come looking.
But Earth would be an extremely interesting destination....for future Earth.
Though personally the most likely answer is that it's our own tech that the people sighting it don't have clearance to even know about which is why USINT is so against more attention to reports of sightings.
But if I had to put my money on outlandish claims, time traveling ships would get my best any day over extraterrestrial ones.