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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> It probably doesn't help that this was a stated goal of the Trans-Pacific Partnership. No it wasn't, and TPP had no security provisions at all.

Yeah it's really just a giant trade agreement. The US was an idiot for backing out.

There were a lot of good reasons to be against the TPP; particularly in regards to IP. The EFF who has been a consistent and well guided voice on this issue was firmly against it[1].

https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire. Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

Isn't propaganda the perfect tool to create deeply held beliefs? I would even go as far as to say that propaganda is the only way to have deeply held beliefs. But maybe my definition of propaganda is too broad.

A subtle form of propaganda which is consistent with the truth is how you win hearts and minds of generations.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I am amused that one who know neither Chinese and Russian languages confidently claim that their media are lying, based on the reporting that one knows as biased. Let's put in this way. One saw a black box. One was told that the black box contains some nasty staff. One knows that the above statement is biased. One then claim that the black box contains the nasty thing. See how bias anchored one's thought, even if cle…

You know that Russian and Chinese media have English versions, and Google Translate and similar can be used to translate the original versions? The absolutely publish complete bullshit.

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I am amused that one who know neither Chinese and Russian languages confidently claim that their media are lying, based on the reporting that one knows as biased. Let's put in this way. One saw a black box. One was told that the black box contains some nasty staff. One knows that the above statement is biased. One then claim that the black box contains the nasty thing. See how bias anchored one's thought, even if cle…

I mean, calling Zelenskyj a nazi dictator is quite stupid. He was elected in 2019, won elections against the previous Ukrainian 'dictator' (who was also put in the seat by the CIA if you believe the dictator narrative).

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

>that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on... A year ago Zelensky closed all opposition TV channels on the pretext they were pro-Russian. [0] Not one or two. All of them. Since then there is no opposition TV in Ukraine. An extremely democratic move, isn't it? [0] https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-oppositio...

Russia was waging a proxy war in the east, and used these channels as an propaganda weapon. So it's not so strange as you try to make it seem.

It's not the same as forbidding certain words and jailing journalists for 15 years for not agreeing with the state.

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No one is suggesting that they'll sign up for a proxy war out-of-the-blue. But the Russians are clearly surprised by the hostile resistance they've met from ordinary Ukrainians. I think they really thought that they would be welcomed or at least met with indifference. Every time I've heard a militant Chinese unification advocate talk about Taiwanese unification, they scoff at the idea that the Taiwanese would actuall…

Most people in both nations, including everyone who has a say in any decision, support the status quo. China isn't going to unilaterally invade Taiwan, and Taiwan isn't going to take steps to change that fact. Recent events in Ukraine have made the Taiwanese less likely to tolerate the formation of foreign-affiliated groups like "Right Sector" or "Azov Battalion". There is also no area or population similar to Donbas…

> China isn't going to unilaterally invade Taiwan, and Taiwan isn't going to take steps to change that fact

This was the dominant opinion with respect to Russia and Ukraine, including in Ukraine, until weeks, in some cases, days, prior to the invasion.

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Oh, the irony! As an Indian, reading nytimes and bbc articles about India was a real eye opener on how much propaganda is passed off as 'opinion' and 'news' in the western press. I mean, the confidence and elan with which a narrative is pushed by blatantly hiding contrarian views and even facts is fascinating to observe, especially when you're on the ground looking at stuff firsthand. You really need to experience it…

At least we don't get jailed for speaking out, so dissenting opinions are still able to come out. That's the difference.

Only canceled.

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post #406

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>Lets hear all sides There is no all sides. a big fat kid beating up a skinny kid when that skinny kid did NOTHING to the big fat kid. where's all sides? when you punch someone first regardless of your reason. you lose all moral high ground. especially Russia's reason is absurd. i don't understand why people believe there is any sides to this war.

> There is no all sides. There are always "all sides". Always. To deny this is to deny reality. > a big fat kid beating up a skinny kid when that skinny kid did NOTHING to the big fat kid. Nobody believes this. Even you don't. So why do you say it? Russia didn't all of a sudden invade ukraine for no reason. There is obviously a reason. Whether you believe the casus belli is justified is another matter. > you lose all…

>> Russia didn't all of a sudden invade ukraine for no reason.

Or maybe Russia fanned the conflict over the years, supporting separatists and paving the way into this invasion. To have reasons and excuses for it...

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

> And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and official There are biolabs in the Ukraine, as confirmed by Nuland in the Senate hearings. Whether they have bio-weapons or medical research, who knows, but you can perhaps understand that the Russians might be concerned? What's really amazing about this story that only days ago it was painted as a Q-anon theory. Turns out it was real…

Russia is concerned that the US stepped in to make sure the post soviet labs didn't fall into the hands of terrorist or that ukraine continued weapons research?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukra...

quite ironic

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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I don’t know about the ads, but here are their state media reports: They peddle Russia’s claim that US has bioweapons in Ukraine: https://www.newsweek.com/china-peddles-russias-claim-that-us... And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and officials: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254330.shtml Edit: As pointed out by a commenter, the above article is from GlobalTimes, not…

https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

some number of which are former soviet labs. the dod is involved under the antiproliferation umbrella

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/05-829-Ukra...

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