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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by bigcat123 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #370
msravi wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, the irony! As an Indian, reading nytimes and bbc articles about India was a real eye opener on how much propaganda is passed off as 'opinion' and 'news' in the western press. I mean, the confidence and elan with which a narrative is pushed by blatantly hiding contrarian views and even facts is fascinating to observe, especially when you're on the ground looking at stuff firsthand. You really need to experience it…

I've seen the same in Indian news in reference to the USA. All country's news are slanted towards their populous. However in countries like China and Russia they print straight up lies.

I am amused that one who know neither Chinese and Russian languages confidently claim that their media are lying, based on the reporting that one knows as biased.

Let's put in this way.

One saw a black box.

One was told that the black box contains some nasty staff.

One knows that the above statement is biased.

One then claim that the black box contains the nasty thing.

See how bias anchored one's thought, even if clearly this guy had no first hand information to make any judgement at all. Yet still be able to have a mental state that clearly established.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by bigcat123 »

fvv wrote: post #316
throwaway4good wrote: post #312

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Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire. Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by PoignardAzur »

ushtaritk421 wrote: post #11

Eh. Aren't we the part of the world that supports free speech? Let them say what they want.

As someone who lives in a country where political advertising is illegal, I'm pretty confident you can shut that crap down without impacting free speech.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by krapp »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #331
Slikey wrote: post #28

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Free Speech for individuals does not mean that we have an interest in allowing foreign and potentially hostile actors to run propaganda campaigns using the ad targeting machine we have built using social media. They can say what they want and every citizen can do so as well, but we should not allow asymmetric amplification.

Just be honest and admit that you are pro-censorship in some issues, instead of using weasel words like that.

That isn't honest. Honest would be admitting the difference of opinion as to what "free speech" and "censorship" entail.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by aiProgMach »

fvv wrote: post #316
throwaway4good wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire. Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

Dismissing different opinions about politics based on random claims about "freedom" (this word is the trademark of western propaganda) is one of the strongest forms of propaganda. By the way, other people opinions on US actions in their countries is more relevant than US citisen opinion on the same matter, becaue guess what? That US citisen is only hearing the US Gov pov and "facts".

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by qiskit »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #220
qiskit wrote: post #200

Good. Lets hear all sides. Everyone should check out as many state propaganda around the world they can and not rely on just one state propaganda for "truth". All propaganda has innate biases and they all spin stories for their agenda. The easiest way to understand this is by looking at state propaganda around the world on a single topic like ukraine. Then you'll understand that truly, the truth is the first casualty…

>Lets hear all sides There is no all sides. a big fat kid beating up a skinny kid when that skinny kid did NOTHING to the big fat kid. where's all sides? when you punch someone first regardless of your reason. you lose all moral high ground. especially Russia's reason is absurd. i don't understand why people believe there is any sides to this war.

> There is no all sides.

There are always "all sides". Always. To deny this is to deny reality.

> a big fat kid beating up a skinny kid when that skinny kid did NOTHING to the big fat kid.

Nobody believes this. Even you don't. So why do you say it? Russia didn't all of a sudden invade ukraine for no reason. There is obviously a reason. Whether you believe the casus belli is justified is another matter.

> you lose all moral high ground.

There is no moral high ground in war. Only winners and losers. And the winners will decide what the moral high ground is.

> i don't understand why people believe there is any sides to this war.

Because it's a fact. Every war has multiple angles to it because every war has different sides. Denying the obvious isn't going to help. Maybe it'll convince the uneducated. But you aren't going to convince intelligent people with such a zealous argument.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by [deleted] »

ashwagary wrote: post #388
throwawaycities wrote: post #346

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> Abstaining from votes that can't be won speaks volumes. The UN General Assembly Resolution condemning Russia overwhelmingly passed. The UN Security Council Resolution on the other hand never had a chance of passing, but the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold” knowing no matter what it wouldn’t pass. In either case a member of the UN abstaining from a vote is not…

>Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact that they didn’t vote against the UN Resolution >the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold” We were talking about China's vote specifically. Your unecessary and unwarranted pivot is very telling. >it’s not about winning or losing as shown by the willingness to submit a Resolution for vote by the Secu…

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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by throwawaycities »

ashwagary wrote: post #388
throwawaycities wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Abstaining from votes that can't be won speaks volumes. The UN General Assembly Resolution condemning Russia overwhelmingly passed. The UN Security Council Resolution on the other hand never had a chance of passing, but the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold” knowing no matter what it wouldn’t pass. In either case a member of the UN abstaining from a vote is not…

>Though China was 1 of 35 Countries to abstain on the vote, the fact that they didn’t vote against the UN Resolution >the international community still went forward with the vote they didn’t collectively “fold” We were talking about China's vote specifically. Your unecessary and unwarranted pivot is very telling. >it’s not about winning or losing as shown by the willingness to submit a Resolution for vote by the Secu…

> I disagree and this is an assumption on your part, not a forgone conclusion.

You’ve had a bizarre tone replying to me from the beginning, and yet your post reveals you don’t even know how the UN Security Council works if you don’t agree that the Security Council vote wasn’t a forgone conclusion. Feel free to ask if you don’t know why it was impossible to pass.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by qiskit »

ivanbakel wrote: post #250
qiskit wrote: post #174

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> They seem to point to medical research to fight against diseases, rather than “biomilitary activities”. They are dual use research. Just like research for nuclear energy is the same as research for nuclear weapons. Research for rockets is the same for icbms. It's why we are so keen on preventing iran from developing their nuclear energy program. It's why we are worried about north korea's "space" program. The same…

>Just like research for nuclear energy is the same as research for nuclear weapons. This is not entirely accurate. It's possible to run nuclear reactors without the capability for nuclear weapons - which, up until the collapse of Iran's deal with Western powers, was exactly what they were (meant to be) doing. You have to deliberately enrich uranium well past the point where it's useful for reactors before you start g…

> Nobody would characterise a nuclear energy plant in a Western country as a "nuclear weapons research facility"

By nobody you mean everybody, especially everybody outside of the west? It's funny how blinded we are by our false sense of moral superiority.

> not least because the uranium involved is nowhere near weapons-grade.

Last I checked, doesn't take that much technical effort or time going from "civilian" to militar/weapons grade. There are an entire class of nations classified as nuclear latent powers - about 20 or so nations who could piggy back off their "civilian" nuclear industry to nuclears weapons in weeks/months. Surprisingly, the list is made up primarily of western nations ( which nobody would characterize as having nuclear weapons research facilities ) and japan/south korea/etc.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by jessaustin »

CountSessine wrote: post #222
jessaustin wrote: post #147

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Western feelings of unity are of no importance on this topic. Large majorities in both mainland China and Taiwan are happy with Taiwan's current status. Nothing that happens in Ukraine will convince significant numbers of Taiwanese to sign up for a proxy war.

No one is suggesting that they'll sign up for a proxy war out-of-the-blue. But the Russians are clearly surprised by the hostile resistance they've met from ordinary Ukrainians. I think they really thought that they would be welcomed or at least met with indifference. Every time I've heard a militant Chinese unification advocate talk about Taiwanese unification, they scoff at the idea that the Taiwanese would actuall…

Most people in both nations, including everyone who has a say in any decision, support the status quo. China isn't going to unilaterally invade Taiwan, and Taiwan isn't going to take steps to change that fact.

Recent events in Ukraine have made the Taiwanese less likely to tolerate the formation of foreign-affiliated groups like "Right Sector" or "Azov Battalion". There is also no area or population similar to Donbas where westernized Taiwanese could e.g. kill 14,000 people or burn down a trade union hall with lots of people inside.

Assuming that war is the natural state of humanity, which is only prevented by authoritarians in the employ of Raytheon, is a character flaw.

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