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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

Slikey wrote: post #28
ushtaritk421 wrote: post #11

Eh. Aren't we the part of the world that supports free speech? Let them say what they want.

Free Speech for individuals does not mean that we have an interest in allowing foreign and potentially hostile actors to run propaganda campaigns using the ad targeting machine we have built using social media. They can say what they want and every citizen can do so as well, but we should not allow asymmetric amplification.

Just be honest and admit that you are pro-censorship in some issues, instead of using weasel words like that.

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Post by ashwagary »

stale2002 wrote: post #328
ashwagary wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why would they make a super weapon, to kill off people with slavic DNA You seem to have followed one unecessary qualifier with another one immediately. I suspect this is somewhat intentional because it's absolutely not required where the vast majority of bioweapons are concerned.

> You seem to have followed one unecessary qualifier Its not an unnecessary qualify because the "targeting russian DNA" is a common part of many of the conspiracies and what I was referring to. A common conspiracy going around is that there were bio-weapons meant to target Russian DNA, which doesn't make any sense. Edit: for Example, here is one english speaking, moderately sized influencer, repeating this conspiracy…

You included a conspiracy theory that no one in this thread brought up for what purpose?

I can only see it as an attempt to deflect, undermine, distract from the core points of this exchange, which makes it a bad faith approach on your part, in my opinion.

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Post by Gravityloss »

jlduan wrote: post #314
floucky wrote: post #273

The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

It is overly simplification. I think the sentiment in China is really not about supporting Russia; it is about anti-US. Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. For example, the nuclear-powered marine deal with Australia, etc. Biden’s first year was much harsher on China than Russia. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy, killing 3, that cert…

Eastern NATO? Sounds like something many smaller countries in the region would love to join, to secure each other against a large expansionistic neighboring country.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by stale2002 »

ashwagary wrote: post #332
stale2002 wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You seem to have followed one unecessary qualifier Its not an unnecessary qualify because the "targeting russian DNA" is a common part of many of the conspiracies and what I was referring to. A common conspiracy going around is that there were bio-weapons meant to target Russian DNA, which doesn't make any sense. Edit: for Example, here is one english speaking, moderately sized influencer, repeating this conspiracy…

You included a conspiracy theory that no one in this thread brought up for what purpose? I can only see it as an attempt to deflect, undermine, distract from the core points of this exchange, which makes it a bad faith approach on your part, in my opinion.

The thread is about conspiracies being peddled by the russian government, state media, and other bad actors. And yes there absolutely are conspiracies, related to this idea of bio-superweapons that are being peddled by bad actors.

Instead, it is other people attempting to deflect from the very real issue of conspiracies being peddled by these bad actors.

So yes, the original point about all of this, is about fake propaganda being spread. And yes that is an issue, as demonstrated by the example that I gave.

You and others just have to admit that yes fake propaganda, being spread by bad actors, is a real issue, which is the core point.

The idea that these bad actors are speading a bunch of mis-info, and half truths, to justify an invasion should be pretty obvious, IMO.

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Post by dylan604 »

pjerem wrote: post #210
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #98

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> China will not get sanctioned like Russia has Nobody thought Russia would get sanctioned like Russia has.

Well, I read your comment, I look around me, I see no item that is not "Made in China". There is no way China gets sanctioned for barely anything without years (decades ?) of re-industrialization of the west. Well, at some point, I even think that China could make the entire west civilization collapse just by stopping their exportation.

>I even think that China could make the entire west civilization collapse just by stopping their exportation.

Then the West retaliates by stopping their export to China of even more basic things like food. I'm guessing China needs food imports much more than the West needs cheap plastic wares, knock off products, and other less critical than food things.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by dragonwriter »

jlduan wrote: post #314
floucky wrote: post #273

The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

It is overly simplification. I think the sentiment in China is really not about supporting Russia; it is about anti-US. Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. For example, the nuclear-powered marine deal with Australia, etc. Biden’s first year was much harsher on China than Russia. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy, killing 3, that cert…

> Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region.

We had one of those, it was called SEATO. There's been only negative progress since on that front.

> For example, the nuclear-powered marine deal with Australia

AUKUS involved countries already in NATO-like agreements with the US (UK is in NATO, Australia in ANZUS) so it doesn't really change much in terms of security alignment.

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Post by dragonwriter »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #329
jlduan wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is overly simplification. I think the sentiment in China is really not about supporting Russia; it is about anti-US. Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. For example, the nuclear-powered marine deal with Australia, etc. Biden’s first year was much harsher on China than Russia. In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy, killing 3, that cert…

> Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. It probably doesn't help that this was a stated goal of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

> It probably doesn't help that this was a stated goal of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

No it wasn't, and TPP had no security provisions at all.

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Post by MathYouF »

Day1 wrote: post #324
livinglist wrote: post #315

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I’m ashamed of my country and people… only if they were well informed and had unlimited access to internet would they start realizing they have been brainwashed by their own goevernment….

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Post by thereddaikon »

wbsss4412 wrote: post #172
thereddaikon wrote: post #86

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Majorities of the population of both Taiwan and China both see the issue in a more nuanced manner than what you laid out here. You can go on and deride people who disagree with you as deluded here, but that’s projection on your part.

Of course the situation is nuanced. But we're here to discuss territorial wars of aggression. Not to write a book on ages old cultural interactions. Taiwan and China are both separate sovereign states defacto. They have functioning governments and standing militaries. Any meaningful discussion about the issue has to start from there. Pretending the RoC military doesn't exist just because a bunch of people on the mainland feels like it doesn't actually change reality.

If the PRC wants to change that reality then that means military action at this stage. One China quickly looks like woo woo bullshit when Chengdus start falling out of the sky and Taipei 101 gets hit with a cruise missile.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Post by LaMarseillaise »

actuator wrote: post #320
fvv wrote: post #316

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Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

Well, to be fair if you remove restrictions then it is the Western version of events that will rules as they have the established platforms and money to spread info. To see their power look at the French poll of who won them the World War. It became 20% in the recent decades from 57% for Russia https://www.france24.com/en/20190601-who-won-wwii-russias-ro...

The idea that the Soviet Union won WWII is itself propaganda and ignores the contributions of many, many nations, not to mention the entire Pacific war. Also, the liberation of France was exclusively the western allies.
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