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Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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> And here’s CGTN’s article on “biolabs” in Ukraine, citing Russia media outlets and official There are biolabs in the Ukraine, as confirmed by Nuland in the Senate hearings. Whether they have bio-weapons or medical research, who knows, but you can perhaps understand that the Russians might be concerned? What's really amazing about this story that only days ago it was painted as a Q-anon theory. Turns out it was real…

There's a reason "dual purpose" exists as a term. Most American grade schools have "hacking devices", should we define that to be any computer. And at this point, the Russians have demostrated a clear willingness to lie about anything in pursuit of their geopolitical agenda (see: months of explicit denial of preparing for a Ukrainian invasion, by all levels of their government, in official statements).

Russians lie, but history tells us that so does everyone else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPe5f5dcrGE (Why Leaders Lie?)

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire.

Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

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This "implication" of what the fake news propaganda articles are trying to say, is that there is some WMD superweapon being developered by Ukraine to genetically target Russians. Like that disease in the new James Bond movie. That is the part that is clearly the fake propaganda. The US and Ukraine are not working together to design a disease meant to genetically target Russians, like from the movie James Bond.

Ignoring the James Bond qualifier makes this scenario completely plausable. It is not clear that the US would not weaponize bioagents as one of the leading bioweapon manufacturers in human history.

> Ignoring the James Bond qualifier makes this scenario completely plausable

No its not. It is not plausible at all. Just think about this for a second.

People in eastern europe are genetically similar to russians. Why would they make a super weapon, to kill off people with slavic DNA, when such a super weapon would target much of its own population as well?

The conspiracy doesn't make any sense even if you assume supervillian levels of evilness.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

It is overly simplification. I think the sentiment in China is really not about supporting Russia; it is about anti-US.

Because quite a lot of people in China think US is organizing an Eastern NATO, to "destabilize" the whole region. For example, the nuclear-powered marine deal with Australia, etc. Biden’s first year was much harsher on China than Russia.

In 1999, NATO bombed the Chinese embassy, killing 3, that certainly did not help.

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

I’m ashamed of my country and people… only if they were well informed and had unlimited access to internet would they start realizing they have been brainwashed by their own goevernment….

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The propaganda is also very strong on Chinese social media (especially Wechat). I leave in France and I know a few Chinese person that keep telling me that this war was mainly caused by USA, that the Ukraine president is a dictator and so on...

Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire. Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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Ignoring the James Bond qualifier makes this scenario completely plausable. It is not clear that the US would not weaponize bioagents as one of the leading bioweapon manufacturers in human history.

> Ignoring the James Bond qualifier makes this scenario completely plausable No its not. It is not plausible at all. Just think about this for a second. People in eastern europe are genetically similar to russians. Why would they make a super weapon, to kill off people with slavic DNA, when such a super weapon would target much of its own population as well? The conspiracy doesn't make any sense even if you assume su…

>Why would they make a super weapon, to kill off people with slavic DNA

You seem to have followed one unecessary qualifier with another one immediately.

I suspect this is somewhat intentional because it's absolutely not required where the vast majority of bioweapons are concerned.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #171

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There's a reason "dual purpose" exists as a term. Most American grade schools have "hacking devices", should we define that to be any computer. And at this point, the Russians have demostrated a clear willingness to lie about anything in pursuit of their geopolitical agenda (see: months of explicit denial of preparing for a Ukrainian invasion, by all levels of their government, in official statements).

>And at this point, the Russians have demostrated a clear willingness to lie about anything in pursuit of their geopolitical agenda US history says the DOD, Pentagon, & the CIA are just as willing, if not more.

Actually, pointing out the hypocrisy is invalid because that means you stand with Putin because Twitter said so. Derp.

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https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick. (Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland) The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doi…

Just piggybacking on your great comment here. The U.S. also has biolabs in China, or funds them, or has enough involvement that it's equivalent to what they're doing in Ukraine so maybe Russia should invade China next using their own biolab justification.

> their own biolab justification.

Except this is not a justification used for invasion.

Re: China's state media buys Meta ads pushing Russia's line on war

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post #316

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Outside the west, there is a massive world that just sees things differently. Here the US is not a force for good but a warmongering empire. Think of it what you will but it would be wrong to discard it as mere propaganda. These are deeply held beliefs.

Belief From a country or countries where people are not free to inform themselves or to speech openly about opinions , that's where propaganda have are easily spread..

Well, to be fair if you remove restrictions then it is the Western version of events that will rules as they have the established platforms and money to spread info.

To see their power look at the French poll of who won them the World War. It became 20% in the recent decades from 57% for Russia

https://www.france24.com/en/20190601-who-won-wwii-russias-ro...

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