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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Jommi »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #388
Aozi wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right that those countries don't have a government mandated minimum wage. That doesn't mean there is no minimum wage in practice though. Scandinavian countries have massive powerful trade unions that work to negotiate standards and wages for everyone. Even if you're not actively part of a union, your employer will almost certainly use Collective Labor Agreement negotiated by the trade union. This CLA guarantee…

Now you could not use a CLA drafted by a union and instead try to fuck people over with your own contracts. That would be illegal in Switzerland (not really a business hating commie hell hole). When a collective agreement exists for specific areas it applies to all companies in that area. That's not to say that dodgy firms don't try to get around it, but if they're caught it it gets expensive and troublesome. And che…

It's not so clear as it's not entirely objective to determine what companies exist in a certain area.

The national mail in Finland is tasked to do letter service, which no other postal company is doing. Letter service is also the most human intensive job there is.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

mabbo wrote: post #411

Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that "gig economy" is this generation's "multi-level marketing"? People who don't know any better get sold on the "be your own boss, earn what you put in" concept. Reality doesn't match expectations. The people work their asses off and wind up with a lot less money than they expected because costs and actual spent time aren't taken into account. The people they're working fo…

> "gig economy" is this generation's "multi-level marketing"

>People who don't know any better get sold on the "be your own boss, earn what you put in" concept.

I personally know no person who thinks driving Uber or delivering food is a job where you are “being your own boss”. It seems like these jobs are generally perceived as low-status low-paying jobs for people without education who have no better opportunities.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by plussed_reader »

umvi wrote: post #423
mabbo wrote: post #411

Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that "gig economy" is this generation's "multi-level marketing"? People who don't know any better get sold on the "be your own boss, earn what you put in" concept. Reality doesn't match expectations. The people work their asses off and wind up with a lot less money than they expected because costs and actual spent time aren't taken into account. The people they're working fo…

There's another disturbing trend I've seen on Facebook. It's where these moms become "entrepreneurs" but when you dig into what their business actually is, they basically host these paid sessions on how to be an entrepreneur (setting up branding, etc.). As far I can tell, no actual product or value is generated, it's like a "business virus": "I'm an entrepreneur!" "Cool, what does your business do?" "Help people get…

I believe that is also the Amway.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by anthonypasq »

thomk wrote: post #394

Yeah, f ck DoorDash. DoorDash is the worst of all of these types of gig services. They are expensive, late, forget to grab items from the restaurant and they are not careful with food. After a few times using them (and getting a different delivery person every time) a chilling thought occurred to me. There is nothing preventing a driver from either eating part of your food or tampering with it. Think about that. A to…

luckily I would know if someone ate some of my pizza

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by hardbop200 »

umvi wrote: post #423
mabbo wrote: post #411

Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that "gig economy" is this generation's "multi-level marketing"? People who don't know any better get sold on the "be your own boss, earn what you put in" concept. Reality doesn't match expectations. The people work their asses off and wind up with a lot less money than they expected because costs and actual spent time aren't taken into account. The people they're working fo…

There's another disturbing trend I've seen on Facebook. It's where these moms become "entrepreneurs" but when you dig into what their business actually is, they basically host these paid sessions on how to be an entrepreneur (setting up branding, etc.). As far I can tell, no actual product or value is generated, it's like a "business virus": "I'm an entrepreneur!" "Cool, what does your business do?" "Help people get…

> As far I can tell, no actual product or value is generated, it's like a "business virus"

I believe that is what the OP means by MLM (multi-level marketing)

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by jdmichal »

boh wrote: post #429
scarface74 wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pay Uber and Uber pays drivers. Revenue by definition is money that Uber gets before expenses.

Uber does not pay drivers. Passengers pay drivers who pay Uber to use their platform (otherwise they'd be employees which Uber is fighting to avoid).

That may be how Uber wants to phrase it, but I'm pretty sure the thing that shows up on my CC statement is Uber, not the driver's name... IE, if they're claiming that, it's a legal fiction. Whether that legal fiction would stand in court is up to the court.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by e_tm_ »

umvi wrote: post #423
mabbo wrote: post #411

Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that "gig economy" is this generation's "multi-level marketing"? People who don't know any better get sold on the "be your own boss, earn what you put in" concept. Reality doesn't match expectations. The people work their asses off and wind up with a lot less money than they expected because costs and actual spent time aren't taken into account. The people they're working fo…

There's another disturbing trend I've seen on Facebook. It's where these moms become "entrepreneurs" but when you dig into what their business actually is, they basically host these paid sessions on how to be an entrepreneur (setting up branding, etc.). As far I can tell, no actual product or value is generated, it's like a "business virus": "I'm an entrepreneur!" "Cool, what does your business do?" "Help people get…

This sounds exactly like Twitter, and many email newsletters.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Ragnarork »

analyst74 wrote: post #410
s_dev wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Secondly, you have the option of giving a nice tip. DoorDash is litterally taking the tips left for the staff though ...

That not true anymore

You should read the article.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by zaroth »

marcell wrote: post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

It does not pay $0/hr. Even the TFA states this. Only if you first disregard 88% of the total pay (the tips) and then subtract an overstated expense line-item do you end up with a number close to $0.

The actual number is that Average Gross Earnings are $18.54 per hour. Obviously there are also some expenses, but average expense is not actually $0.54/mile. $0.54/mile is what you get to deduct from your income on your tax return. (So there's actually a tax advantage here too.)

In other words, the guaranteed amount covers more than your expenses, your earnings come from tips, sometimes in the form of cash, and you get a preferential tax deduction on top. It's actually a great deal.

The simple answer to your question is that DoorDash has so many drivers because the job is easy to do and pays well. But for ideological reasons, some people think this kind of employment arrangement should be illegal.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by Lavery »

scarface74 wrote: post #418
Lavery wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost to Uber users is not the same as revenue to Uber corporate. Uber corporate revenue is net of driver pay.

You pay Uber and Uber pays drivers. Revenue by definition is money that Uber gets before expenses.

There're like three sub-threads to your comment now of people getting it wrong. What you are describing is Gross Bookings. If you don't believe me, Uber's quarterly financial results are here and you can see for yourself.

https://investor.uber.com/news-events/news/press-release-det...

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