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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by cma »

usaphp wrote: post #374
atourgates wrote: post #307

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The value proposition is the responsive touch-screen. The closest responsive touch screen you can buy today is a 27" Wacom Cintiq, which is $2,299 without a computer, and both lower-resolution (2560x1440 vs 4500x3000) and smaller (27" vs 28") than the Surface Studio. So if you assume that about $2,300 of the device's costs go to the display and touch screen, you're paying ~$700 for the actual machine driving that dis…

> "you're paying ~$700 for the actual machine driving that display" ~$700 gets you a pretty basic computer with 965m, you can build a desktop with gtx 1070 for 700$ to power a wacom display. And you will be able to upgrade it in the future, with Studio you are stuck with a 965m for $3000. And if you are getting a 980m for $4200 that leaves you with a $1900 to build a computer for Wacom, which can be way more powerful…

Does wacom support HDR yet in any Cintiq? For a professional that might be enough to tip them towards this even if otherwise overpriced.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by mynameisvlad »

rubber_duck wrote: post #381
monk_e_boy wrote: post #353

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Agree 100% there are thousands of offices out there with photoshop monkeys making web pages, signs, adverts, car wraps, promotional material, etc etc all of who would love to have one of these. All those ageing iMacs need to replaced soon.

With 3-4k$ devices ? You can get two iMacs for that.

Not with the same configuration you can't. An iMac comparable to the top of the line Surface Studio is 3399 vs 4199 for the Surface Studio. If we go for the 2999 Surface Studio, the comparable iMac is 2549.

So, yes, you can get two, even three iMacs for the price of a Surface Studio, but the specs will be nowhere near the same between the two.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by izacus »

rubber_duck wrote: post #397
Ant5do wrote: post #395

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Mmmh, so I wonder why I know people with iMacs? This is precisely targeted at the cintiq + iMac market. The dGPU on this is roughly equivalent to the iMac.

iMacs are half the price of this ? This costs the same as high end laptop and a high end monitor combined. For the pricing this would need to compete with Mac Pro not iMac

iMacs with a Cintiq certanly ARE NOT half the price of this. The Cintiq itself is very expensive.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by xenobioticants »

Osiris wrote: post #109
raesene6 wrote: post #93

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So I've not tried enough windows touchpads to comment on that, but from what I've seen there's quite a few Windows laptops with higher res screens than 1080p e.g. Dell XPS 13 - can have a 3200x1800 screen Lenovo Carbon X1 - can have a 2560x1440 screen HP Elitebook G3 - Can have a 2560x1440 screen Microsoft surface book - 3000x2000 screen Microsoft Surface Pro 4 - 2736 x 1824 screen

I didn't mean to imply that there are none. I meant that they are incredibly rare if you consider the number of Windows laptop models available. The vast majority have either 1366x768 (low end laptops) or 1920x1080.

But you can't compare Macbooks to $500 laptops. You need to compare them to ultrabooks like the XPS 13, where you'll see that the gap isn't so big.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by izacus »

MAGZine wrote: post #386
jarjoura wrote: post #212

At first I applauded Microsoft for continuing to advance the desktop computer market. This is something I wish Apple would continue to invest in but is clear they're moving towards building machines for the engineers to build iOS software. However then I jump into the Microsoft store and check it out... $4,199.00 for the high-end option gets you a hybrid drive, probably connected over an older SATA bus and a graphics…

Why, pray tell, would Microsoft include a thunderbolt port, an apple standard, on their device? It had licensing issues before, not sure if it still does or not—wouldn't be surprised. I'd want a USB-C port before I'd want a thunderbolt port!

While thunderbolt isn't an Apple standard (it's Intels actually and HP laptops for example ship with it), the hardware on Thunderbolt that's actually compatible with Windows is rather rare and doesn't make all that much sense in comparison to just using USB 3.0

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by secstate »

ergo14 wrote: post #428
Ant5do wrote: post #393

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So (449) dollar graphics card, the 1070 + (200) dollar cpu + Case (100) + memory (150) + psupply (70) + mobo (150) + hdd/ssd (150) + Wacom cintiq with Digitizer which is what 2500? + an sRGB monitor at 4k 800? = 4-5000, with a shitty box and shitty experience and you get none of the engineering that went into the product. Plz continue dreaming up dev boxes that only devs could love. Feel free to throw in some glowing…

> "engineering that went into a product"? I have no idea what do you mean - I've been assembling my own workstation for last 20 years now thank you there is no magic involved in building a nice system. And I don't enjoy glow lights in my case. If you think people will buy 4k$ system just for looks you have to be kidding me.

I think he means putting it in a mobile platform that is hidden behind a gorgeous display. Of course you can build your own for cheaper, but by the time your done sintering aluminum parts and building a custom mainboard to fit the housing, I'm sure yours would be more than $700

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by [deleted] »

kayoone wrote: post #303
gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

typical HN naysayer, if Apple did this everyone would be raving about it. Maybe you missed that the screen also includes a Wacom digitizer ? Compare the price to a 27" Wacom Cintiq and it might make more sense to you. Other than that it's gorgeous, GPU performance is adequate for the usecase, better than the 5K iMac anyway.

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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by cma »

mobiuscog wrote: post #35
20tibbygt06 wrote: post #16

Starting at $2,999 to $4,199 Product Page: https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Surface... *Surface Dial included edit: as pointed out below you do get a Surafce Dial with the purchase of the studio. I originally looked at the "what's included" section where the dial was not listed.

Compared to a 27" Cintiq QHD Touch, the pricing is very competitive.

Does it have tilt support? At one point it showed someone using the puck/wheel thing to control tilt instead of just tilting the pen :-O.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by blahblah12 »

ergo14 wrote: post #428
Ant5do wrote: post #393

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So (449) dollar graphics card, the 1070 + (200) dollar cpu + Case (100) + memory (150) + psupply (70) + mobo (150) + hdd/ssd (150) + Wacom cintiq with Digitizer which is what 2500? + an sRGB monitor at 4k 800? = 4-5000, with a shitty box and shitty experience and you get none of the engineering that went into the product. Plz continue dreaming up dev boxes that only devs could love. Feel free to throw in some glowing…

> "engineering that went into a product"? I have no idea what do you mean - I've been assembling my own workstation for last 20 years now thank you there is no magic involved in building a nice system. And I don't enjoy glow lights in my case. If you think people will buy 4k$ system just for looks you have to be kidding me.

The form and function aren't replicable. When you work on a cintiq, the cintiq is on your table and you often have to keep looking up and down at the screen on your monitor. It's not the optimal way to work. The engineering is in the hinge and the form factor. You're not the target market if you want a beastly computer that can run a bunch of games. It's the same people who use a cintiq and an iMac that they're targeting. It's not just looks. It's having the thinnest panel with high color accuracy. It's having novel interaction paradigms with a dial. This isn't a desktop built for someone who builds their own computers. It's for the person who uses illustrator and photoshop daily and works on an iMac and a cintiq.
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