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Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by dunefox »

Saline9515 wrote: post #395
dunefox wrote: post #341

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> Peer pressure is not a good enough answer. It absolutely is. Enjoy having an isolated kid, I guess.

As someone who was raised in a home without TV, sorry, but this is nonsense. I heard this dozens of times, but in reality, having a phone, a tv, a gameboy isn't going to make a difference. On the contrary, a kid without the latest consumerist gadget will likely have to develop social skills, and also will have to form new tastes and do different activities, such as reading, sport, etc etc - that will make him less is…

Wait until later on when everything is done via apps.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by dunefox »

lolinder wrote: post #363
dunefox wrote: post #341

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> Peer pressure is not a good enough answer. It absolutely is. Enjoy having an isolated kid, I guess.

I was raised to think for myself and avoid doing things just because my friends do them. It's worked out rather well for me, and I very much intend to help my kids learn the same.

Let me guess, that was long before smartphones. It doesn't work the same way now.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by 93po »

015a wrote: post #60
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Bumble is really similar and disgusting. By default, notifications are enabled for both messages (which are a pretty good thing to have notifications turned on for) and once or twice a day Peak Cringe marketing push notifications. They have the ability to turn off specific kinds of notifications, but one of the categories is "The Good Stuff: Turning these off means you'll miss out on our most exciting pushes of all!"…

Tinder gets around this by sending fake "You have a new like" or "You have a new match" message nearly daily. You open the app and have neither. I turned off all notifications except new messages to get rid of this.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by dpig_ »

bluecheese452 wrote: post #377
technothrasher wrote: post #335

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Yep, I've mostly given up on the one strike rule and gone to a "don't install any phone app unless absolutely necessary" rule. Much of the time I can avoid the app by either using their web site, or just forgoing whatever functionality the app provides. Airline apps, which can be useful during a trip, get installed when the trip begins and uninstalled as soon as the trip is over.

I am even more of a luddite. I just use the kiosk at the airport and get a physical ticket printed.

What if your ticket runs out of battery?

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by vlark »

This study is not representative of all teens' smartphone use, as iPhone users were not included in the study:

"iPhone users were not included because data collection access for detailed app usage (i.e., names of specific apps such as YouTube, Snapchat, etc.) was not available for researchers at the time of data collection." -- Methodology section of the acutal report: https://www.commonsensemedia.org/sites/default/files/researc...

According to an April 2023 report from Piper Sandler, 87% of teens use iPhones (https://www.pipersandler.com/teens). If the CommonSense Media report doesn't include 88% of teens, then it is not representative of the majority of teens' use; it is only representative of teens who use Android devices.

This report is probably under-reporting teen smartphone use and notification overload.

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Post by galdosdi »

matteoraso wrote: post #250
Eumenes wrote: post #175

Article quotes kids as young as 11-14 being inundated by notifications ... kids that age do not need phones. Its really that simple. Parents need to start being parents again.

The problem is peer pressure and the fact that most parents want to have a way to be in contact with their children at all times. You could get your kid a flip phone, but your kid is going to be an outcast if anybody finds out.

Then you're in the wrong school district. This is certainly true in some parts of the US. We went to a lot of trouble to make sure we lived somewhere (a fairly safe and affordable part of a very walkable, diverse large east coast US city) where this would not be a problem, and it has paid off. Having a flip phone is not an issue here (in middle school).

Some random suburb, especially where the parents aren't super educated, is usually going to be hell for this though. A lot of parents who don't know/care/are too impoverished in terms of time or knowhow, end up just using the smartphone as an all purpose babysitter (much as TV in the 80s and 90s) from toddler or even baby age on.

It's always been the case that when you choose where you live you choose what kind of peers your kid will have, and therefore, to a degree, what kind of person they'll become, but smartphones have dialed this effect up.

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Post by 3seashells »

93po wrote: post #423
015a wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bumble is really similar and disgusting. By default, notifications are enabled for both messages (which are a pretty good thing to have notifications turned on for) and once or twice a day Peak Cringe marketing push notifications. They have the ability to turn off specific kinds of notifications, but one of the categories is "The Good Stuff: Turning these off means you'll miss out on our most exciting pushes of all!"…

Tinder gets around this by sending fake "You have a new like" or "You have a new match" message nearly daily. You open the app and have neither. I turned off all notifications except new messages to get rid of this.

Time to update the app and reclassify notifications, thus loose all your settings on a weekly basis.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by matt-attack »

Keirmot wrote: post #284
FridgeSeal wrote: post #202

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I have an iOS device, so can’t speak for Google, but I suspect that’s what Apple has been _trying_ to do. The problem is that these apps are essentially adversarial in their notifications. If you have a mechanism for “only the most essential notifications”, then they simply mark all their notifications as “essential” (looking at you Uber). Try to limit their notifications using “only is summary” or disabling them and…

Well, Apple is trying a 'do as I say, not as I do' approach, which isn't exactly working. For example I got an Apple Music notification the other day telling me how awesome the new Classic Music App is, or how the new season of whatever show is available in Apple TV+ is just fresh out of the oven. I like their products, and even their services, but in this particular case, they're as bad as Uber, just at a different…

Slightly off topic but another thing I noticed that’s infuriating me, is that podcast are now injected with local ads. I’m. It sure how they’re getting location data since iOS has extremely tight and secure authorizations for location access (even within their own internal processes). How can I be offered the ability to control whether Compass Calibration or Apple Pay Merchant verification get to use my location but not podcast advertisements??

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Post by matt-attack »

dataflow wrote: post #92
alexanderchr wrote: post #79

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It is a breach of trust. I give apps access to my immediate attention so they can notify me of things that need my attention. Not for telling me about their new features or some crappy partner deal. For this reason I have a one strike policy for apps. One marketing notification and permissions are revoked. Missing out on surprisingly little although it has made me stop using some services entirely.

Starbucks is like this. They deliberately bundle together "Promotions & Order Status" to make sure you receive their junk.

Why order using the phone anyway? Why give them that sweet sweet data?

I use Apple Pay exclusively at Starbucks. They haven’t a clue who I am.

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Post by matt-attack »

raverbashing wrote: post #259
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #216

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This is the answer. Money talks, so give your money to businesses that earn it. "But it's not as convenient!" I hear some yell. Then it's obviously not enough of a bother to you, so just suck it up and deal with their bad behavior. Because until you take your money elsewhere, nothing will change. And why should it? They obviously haven't crossed a line for enough people. Which means it'll just get worse.

Yeah when I hear "it's not convenient" what I actually hear is "I'm too lazy for that" Why do you even need a Starbucks app in the first place? Get a physical loyalty card. Or, you know, have coffee at home

Just use Apple Pay. It’s convenient and anonymous.
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