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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by incomingpain »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #358
incomingpain wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pakistan is the only true Muslim country in the world. There is no 'too religious'. I think you're missing the much larger picture. All of the conflict in that area is connected. Turkey is melting down because of their public positions on various matters; especially Xinjiang; not to mention poor decisions around fiscal policy. Pakistan and Khan mess. Super happy they finally arrested him. We shall see how it goes, I'…

The first line is a strong claim, and KSA as well as Iran would disagree. Pakistan may say the have Sharia, but hadd is rarely enforced as far as I know. Theft is common and so are gangs.

From day 1 the intention of pakistan was to form a true ideologically religious state based on islam.

Iran and others are muslim countries no doubt but they aren't melding national interests with islam at any significant degree.

Sure, 'no true scotsman' and your point of enforcement. I stand by my point.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dingledork69 »

alephnerd wrote: post #141
dingledork69 wrote: post #113

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Sure, and when they release the mind reading necromancers we'll all be totally screwed, too.

Mind reading Necromancers (probably) don't exist, but every example I listed above has already been deployed in a piecemeal manner in various countries the last 10 years. Mass File Sharing Blacklisting has been enforced by Indian ISPs since 2019 VPN+ISP traffic log sharing has been enforced in Kazakhstan (along with SSL stripping) Blocking Tor downloads has been implemented already (with varying levels of success) pl…

Keep on raising that bar. Just remember that USB sticks exist, I guess.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by sashank_1509 »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #386
sashank_1509 wrote: post #319

Can someone knowledgeable explain to me why the military keeps intervening. Is this basically the same situation as Turkey had where the military was commanded on Turkey’s founding by the Ataturk to prevent a religious fundamentalist takeover of the country, and so whenever they felt the elected government was becoming too “religious”, they deposed the government (now of course erdogan is in control, because he ensur…

here is a 7 minutes video in english on the topic, if you woul like to watch : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTy5giEpodk

Feels more like a polemic against the Pakistan military. For example unlike how presented in the video there was majority public support for the first military coup of 1958 in Pakistan because that was a period of serious political turmoil. Pakistan went through 4 prime ministers in 2 years and the public was agitated by the unstable economy especially regarding water canal issues and it seemed like the military could come in and bring some stability.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by ryzvonusef »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #423
ryzvonusef wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

here is a 7 minutes video in english on the topic, if you woul like to watch : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTy5giEpodk

Feels more like a polemic against the Pakistan military. For example unlike how presented in the video there was majority public support for the first military coup of 1958 in Pakistan because that was a period of serious political turmoil. Pakistan went through 4 prime ministers in 2 years and the public was agitated by the unstable economy especially regarding water canal issues and it seemed like the military coul…

It's the closest thing to an answer to OP's question I could find, that was in English.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by tibbydudeza »

powerapple wrote: post #420
George83728 wrote: post #357

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Under Mao's rule, millions of people were overtly executed. It wasn't just Mao's incompetence that got people killed accidentally. He ordered millions of people to be murdered.

do you have reference for this? I am Chinese and would like to learn.

The Cultural Revolution.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by George83728 »

ta1243 wrote: post #419
komadori wrote: post #363

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I know, I'm one of them. Nonetheless, it still exists.

> Revoking someone’s citizenship is hugely controversial. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrines having a nationality as a right, forbidding countries to arbitrarily deprive someone of it. It seems to me that if I were an EU citizen, the EU would be the ones who had to remove my citizenship, and that would be a very controversial step. I don't recall long winded speeches in the UN denouncing the EU for f…

The UDHR, Article 15, says that everybody has a right to have nationality and can't arbitrarily be deprived of nationality. The EU is not a nation and nobody has an "EU nationality", so depriving somebody of their EU citizenship doesn't violate Article 15. People in the UK retained their nationalities.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by lannisterstark »

fooker wrote: post #240
lannisterstark wrote: post #60

I love when authoritarian nations just block internet. India did it in Kashmir for a fuckton of time, and it was practically unusable for a longer period (2G speeds). they also do it at even little bit of protests. How dare the citizens protest their own governments, no, no internet for you! ---- The world will be a better place without these govts.

Riots fuelled with religious/tribal zeal can kill thousands in mere hours. Blocking phone internet seems to an efdective solution to this for now.

I'm sure auths justify it just the way you're doing it.

I'm sure every authoritarian/genocidal govt in history has justified their heinous act with the same logic too. "It's for the common good/good of x people."

Protesting is the fundamental right of a human being. the 'cause' of protesting is irrelevant. You could stage a protest to have access to everyone's mothers at all time if you'd like, that too would be your right.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by lannisterstark »

nojonestownpls wrote: post #400
lannisterstark wrote: post #60

I love when authoritarian nations just block internet. India did it in Kashmir for a fuckton of time, and it was practically unusable for a longer period (2G speeds). they also do it at even little bit of protests. How dare the citizens protest their own governments, no, no internet for you! ---- The world will be a better place without these govts.

> I love when authoritarian nations just block internet. Much better to just have control over the popular platforms, have a revolving door between them and the government intelligence agencies, and do your communication control that way.

The problem with that argument is that I can still get access to content via subverting said controls. I have access to the underlying infrastructure.

I can't when the entire internet infrastructure is shut down.

I'm always amused when people go to lengths to defend authoritarian regimes. Pretty sure I am allowed to criticize the country I'm a citizen of.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by alephnerd »

dingledork69 wrote: post #422
alephnerd wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind reading Necromancers (probably) don't exist, but every example I listed above has already been deployed in a piecemeal manner in various countries the last 10 years. Mass File Sharing Blacklisting has been enforced by Indian ISPs since 2019 VPN+ISP traffic log sharing has been enforced in Kazakhstan (along with SSL stripping) Blocking Tor downloads has been implemented already (with varying levels of success) pl…

Keep on raising that bar. Just remember that USB sticks exist, I guess.

Solved problem (by governments and industry). It's called Endpoint Detection and Response (EDR).

I'm not raising the bar btw, I'm just someone who works in the intersection of cybersecurity, government, and business.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by jostiniane »

ludston wrote: post #248
jostiniane wrote: post #224

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Somehow some governments do it and go under the mainstream media coverage. is it because they got the green light from the bigger guys to do it? (I am talking about Algeria during the protests) Just to say, it's not as simple as authoritarian vs not, it's mote like, authoritarian and didn't get the green light vs not.

India is the big guys though isn't it?

anyone that can be bullied into submissiveness isn't a big guy
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