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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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I agree with most of what you wrote, but regarding Tim Cook working for a wage, most of his wealth has in fact come from Apple stock. He just received 5 million shares. His $15M non stock compensation is a lot of money for most but I wouldn’t classify him as being purely out for his own wealth. https://nypost.com/2021/08/26/apples-tim-cook-gets-750m-payo...

The key word there is "received". He didn't buy stock himself, he was given it, he is a wage worker. He is purely out for his own wealth. He is one of the most absurdly overpaid execs in the US. How anyone can become a billionaire as an employee is utterly beyond me. Taking no risk, getting all the reward.

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I read a lot about manufacturing, but I dont think the real growth market is in manufacturing. I dont read anything about it here in the thread but what about the growth market for data? Especially referring to apples icloud services in PRC and physical datacenter, in guiyang (just like microsoft, ibm btw)

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Apple paid protection money. Pretty simple, no need to sugar coat it

That I am aware of, "protection money" clearly implies that the payments are to a criminal organization - which is separate from, and unauthorized by, the established state. The MacRumors story seems very clear that Apple and Mr. Cook's deal was with the Chinese government, and the ruling Chinese Communist Party. Do you have information to the contrary? Or is your point merely to voice anger at China, the CCP, Apple,…

> criminal organization - which is separate from, and unauthorized by, the established state

When the government of an established state violates human rights and international law (like the Geneva Convention), I don't think it's incorrect to call that government a criminal organization.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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That is rather chilling, is it not? That a nation would prevent its citizens from looking around and measuring what they see? I can't help but wonder how the chickens will come home to roost.

No where near as chilling as to be constantly being anxious about your social score, getting disappeared for political speech, overstepping your bounds with a corrupt local government official, and a 100 other things.

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

#425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but regarding Tim Cook working for a wage, most of his wealth has in fact come from Apple stock. He just received 5 million shares. His $15M non stock compensation is a lot of money for most but I wouldn’t classify him as being purely out for his own wealth. https://nypost.com/2021/08/26/apples-tim-cook-gets-750m-payo...

The key word there is "received". He didn't buy stock himself, he was given it, he is a wage worker. He is purely out for his own wealth. He is one of the most absurdly overpaid execs in the US. How anyone can become a billionaire as an employee is utterly beyond me. Taking no risk, getting all the reward.

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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It seems fashionable to preach helplessness. Apple can't change China by themselves, but they are not by themselves. If we all follow that reasoning, then nothing ever happens. To surrender and retreat from the field of battle is a sure way to lose. Despair is a leading psyops tactic - targeted at enemies; let's not help them. It would be interesting to talk about what organizations like Apple can and cannot do; what…

Its not reasonable for us "we the people" to expect a profit seeking company to turn its back on profit. If we want it to behave a particular way we need to make rules for it to follow. Companies are no people with feeling and morals. They are machines for making money.

Machines run by people who should damn well know better.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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I was at a company that defied the 1980s business embargo in South Africa. They said similar things at the time. The government of South Africa did fall, and most of the world applauded if I recall. The net effect for this business was, that they earned more money by ignoring the embargo, whatever the outcome. There are insulting names in most languages for this kind of behavior, it is not new.

There is no embargo on China (in this context) though. The world has not agreed to not do business with them.

The world as a whole never will. If Western powers try and sanction non compliant countries this will effectively split the world into 2 parts and it is not going to end well. I think this would be total disaster.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Tim Cook came into my bar and did not tip very well either. Why are billionaires so fucking disappointing constantly?

Why are some businesses or people butthurt about not receiving money they did not communicate was owed to them?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Apple did all of this because they couldn't stand paying decent wages to US workers, so they outsourced Labour to China. Why people stand by this company...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Daring Fireball [1] has another passage from the article which is illuminating with regards to any promises Apple makes about how it will resist governmental pressure to compromise its products, vis-à-vis Apple's CSAM scanning tool. "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial di…

Hard for me to imagine the mindset of a bureaucratic drone who demands that people change the definition of physical reality.

On a contrary. Many of them are totally dumb and things like common logic and compassion are a foreign subject to them.

Here is cherry on the cake from the Australian PM:

"The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia."

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