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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by NavinF »

e12e wrote: post #409
NavinF wrote: post #408

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1. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade 2. Yeah I'll just trade in my RTX 3090 for something that has half the performance and doesn't support tensorflow

1 when was this? On Ubuntu lts or Debian stable? 2 if a vendor makes good hw, but poor drivers for your os - that really is on the vendor, not the os? Still, I agree it's frustrating that nvidia is unwilling to commit to Foss/linux.

1. Ubuntu 18 LTS

2. Meh, I never said it was on the OS. I'm just listing some reasons why it's impossible to use Linux on my personal desktop. Believe me, I've tried.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by e12e »

NavinF wrote: post #421
e12e wrote: post #409

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1 when was this? On Ubuntu lts or Debian stable? 2 if a vendor makes good hw, but poor drivers for your os - that really is on the vendor, not the os? Still, I agree it's frustrating that nvidia is unwilling to commit to Foss/linux.

1. Ubuntu 18 LTS 2. Meh, I never said it was on the OS. I'm just listing some reasons why it's impossible to use Linux on my personal desktop. Believe me, I've tried.

> Ubuntu 18 LTS

You updated system glibc and system packages broke? Or third party packages?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by Fnoord »

NavinF wrote: post #401
Fnoord wrote: post #360

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1) This should not occur. You do not update glibc on a stable desktop environment. If you use rolling release distributions, yes shit will hit the fan (even though proponents/fans of such will deny such 'ever happening to their X years of Arch or w/e usage). 2) Don't use Nvidia; use AMD or Intel with FOSS drivers. I know this sucks if you don't have the option (its a package deal, or you already bought it). (I've onl…

1. Yeah it "should not" happen yet I've experienced it on a relatively sane distro. Btw "Update glibc and everything breaks" is a quote from Linus Torvalds. He's a newcomer on this scene, but he makes some good points: https://youtu.be/5PmHRSeA2c8?t=588 2. No thanks. I'll stick with my RTX 3090 for my personal desktop and 2x2080Ti for each of my servers. We both wish there was another vendor that supported tensorflow…

Yeah, "Update glibc and everything breaks" is a quote by Linus Torvalds on Debconf 2014. But why? Do you know? I do. Because this very thing happened on Debian Testing. Not Debian Stable, Testing. That's akin to a rolling release like Arch. Debian GNU/Linux is a sane Linux distribution, as long as you run Stable. If you run Testing or Unstable shit is going to break, just like Arch or Nix or .. (at least Nix got good rollback support to mitigate it)

I'm happily using a Vega56 and can achieve decent performance on 1080p and 1440p on Linux. Raytracing is a gimmick to me, tear-free gaming not (but I got FreeSync working). I don't work with Tensorflow or Hashcat or such, I'm talking about Linux desktop gaming here. There's no need to use Nvidia there unless you need exotic stuff like raytracing. The AMD Radeon Navi series (5000 and 6000) deliver excellent performance.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by joveian »

apatheticonion wrote: post #316
RamRodification wrote: post #315

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> I wonder if we will ever see some kind of GPU sharing for virtualisation Hasn't this been solved for some time now? Or am I misunderstanding what you want? I remember seeing a few articles about using this for gaming on Windows VMs on Linux hosts. I haven't jumped in though so maybe it's not what I think it is. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GPU_passthrough_with_libvirt_qe... I think it's also definitely in use for c…

I could be wrong but I think you can only pass through an entire GPU as long as it's unused on the host. Sharing a used GPU, in the same way we can share a CPU with no performance loss via Intel Hyper v, is not possible.

Intel GPUs can be shared, it is called GVT-g (expensive AMD and nVidia have similar abilities). It isn't trivial to set up at this point but it sounds like it works.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by sidlls »

tubby12345 wrote: post #283
sidlls wrote: post #247

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Mac is a small slice of the software engineer market, and mostly in the web-app/mobile space.

every single FAANG (and many middle tier companies too) distributes macbook pros to its devs.

And yet that doesn’t constitute even close to the majority of developers.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by zbentley »

numpad0 wrote: post #164
shados wrote: post #123

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Ok, if that's true, I'm back to raging about how absolutely ridiculous this is. Why obsolete a computer that can still run almost anything on high-ish settings @.@ Because there's 0.01% more crash or whatever....

I’m speculating it was supposed to let them drop Meltdown patches. Doing so easily creates “20% performance gain over Windows 10 on same machine”. Aligns with the statement that they “block” “security” updates. But this is clearly coming from someone who’s not actively in coding role and without consultation with developers, as some of CPUs(namely Ryzen 2k) to be supported don’t have the required but not very well de…

> I’m speculating

Was that a pun?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by lobocinza »

alex_smart wrote: post #268
reilly3000 wrote: post #31

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

So even if a windows build is available, sometimes the user experience of linux-first software on windows can be subobtimal because of differences in filesystem and process model of the two operating systems. I much prefer using git and emacs within WSL than their windows builds. > The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games Another reason to use windows is if you are on a laptop…

> Another reason to use windows is if you are on a laptop and care about battery life. Browsers on Linux still don't have hardware accelerated video playback.

That's just not true. Might be a problem with some GPUs but not with all. At least I got hardware accelerated video playback on Chromium with my AMD GPU.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by lobocinza »

merb wrote: post #178
reilly3000 wrote: post #31

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

the reverse would also be pretty useful. heck if they would pull off office for linux even when they would charge windows pro and a 365 license it would probably be welcomed.

Would be bad for vendor lock-in.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by reissbaker »

sevensor wrote: post #400
specktr wrote: post #395

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They’re likely referring to a remote access trojan (malware) which likely shares many features of whatever administrative tool the IT team uses at that company.

Is there a fundamental difference between a remote administration tool and a remote access trojan?

Seems like roughly the same difference between a malware keylogger and say, X11. They both intercept all your keystrokes, but you wanted the latter one to do so and didn't want the former.

("But I didn't want the remote admin tool on my computer!" It's not your computer, it's the company's computer. And they wanted it there.)

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by reissbaker »

Jnr wrote: post #306
sz4kerto wrote: post #303

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It kind of does, but ... it also doesn't. I've been running {KDE, Gnome} on Wayland + KMS on a box with a GTX1080 for a few months, and - it is really laggy (sometimes the mouse cursor is choppy) - fractional scaling is practically unusable due to all kinds of important apps (e.g. Chrome) not supporting it and just blurring the screen instead of properly scaling Overall I can't recommend it to non-enthusiasts, unfort…

No lags for me with GTX 970. And I use Firefox, it has Wayland support.

"It works for me on very specific, ancient hardware, and also don't use " isn't a great selling point for people who just want their machine to work and aren't bought into Linux On The Desktop as a philosophical ideal. That's why people use WSL2! Popular software works, popular hardware works, you can run Linux programs from the command line without installing and managing a separate VM yourself (yes, yes, it's virtualized under the hood by the OS, but you don't need to manage the VM yourself), and now you'll be able to run Linux GUI apps too.
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