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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by jcelerier »

jcelerier wrote: post #415
burntsushi wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh... No. You're off by an order of magnitude. $ cargo vendor $ tokei vendor/ crates/ -t Rust -s code --exclude winapi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Language Files Lines Code Comments Blanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rust 1248 615700 493777 83201 38722 And 8 minutes for compiling ripgrep sounds crazy. My i3 Mac Min…

I was on my phone and trusted the Google results of "ripgrep sloc", thanks for the correction ! What takes so much code in the ripgrep codebase ? I am developing a cross-platform GUI app with audio, video and network features and it's not even 500k lines

hmm, but I just cloned the ripgrep repo and it tells me 28k loc ?

    $ cloc .
         193 text files.
         170 unique files.
         114 files ignored.
    
    github.com/AlDanial/cloc v 1.88  T=1.88 s (73.3 files/s, 25634.5 lines/s)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Language                      files          blank        comment           code
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rust                             85           3984           9128          28104
    Markdown                         19            923              0           3637
    Python                            2            194            313            830
    TOML                             13             42             11            342
    YAML                              3             30             60            313
    Bourne Shell                      8             22              9            130
    zsh                               1             16             14             67
    Bourne Again Shell                2             11             22             28
    Ruby                              1              4              0             19
    Dockerfile                        4              4              0             12
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    SUM:                            138           5230           9557          33482
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
isn't the crates thing counting dependencies too ? which would be weird, if so why not also count the libc or kernel32.dll source code ?

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by ohazi »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #411
ohazi wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

40" diagonal seems a bit extreme. I think my 27" 4k display is perfect. My dad has slightly worse eyes and prefers his 32" 4k display, which I find noticably grainier but perfectly serviceable.

48" 4k is equivalent to having a quad of 24" 1080ps. Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160). I don't see whats extreme about this at all, its a better use of area than my trio of 24" 1080ps (in landscape) that I use now.

I didn't mean to imply that a 40" diagonal was necessarily excessive (if you have the space, go for it!), I was just disagreeing with the claim that you need a screen that big for 4k. I have a smaller 4k screen, and I think the pixel density is perfectly fine.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by DiabloD3 »

CRConrad wrote: post #420
DiabloD3 wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

48" 4k is equivalent to having a quad of 24" 1080ps. Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160). I don't see whats extreme about this at all, its a better use of area than my trio of 24" 1080ps (in landscape) that I use now.

> Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160). As opposed to 3 8 40 × 2160, no?

Yup, my bad, typo.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by DiabloD3 »

ohazi wrote: post #422
DiabloD3 wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

48" 4k is equivalent to having a quad of 24" 1080ps. Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160). I don't see whats extreme about this at all, its a better use of area than my trio of 24" 1080ps (in landscape) that I use now.

I didn't mean to imply that a 40" diagonal was necessarily excessive (if you have the space, go for it!), I was just disagreeing with the claim that you need a screen that big for 4k. I have a smaller 4k screen, and I think the pixel density is perfectly fine.

It's about pixel density vs efficient use of pixels.

If you have a 48" 4k, then you're running it at 100%/96 dpi, just as if you had a 24" 1080p or a 27" 1440p. Same density, just more pixels.

If I was ultrarich, a 48" 8k would be the best of both worlds. It would also murder game performance, but oh well.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by ohazi »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #424
ohazi wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't mean to imply that a 40" diagonal was necessarily excessive (if you have the space, go for it!), I was just disagreeing with the claim that you need a screen that big for 4k. I have a smaller 4k screen, and I think the pixel density is perfectly fine.

It's about pixel density vs efficient use of pixels. If you have a 48" 4k, then you're running it at 100%/96 dpi, just as if you had a 24" 1080p or a 27" 1440p. Same density, just more pixels. If I was ultrarich, a 48" 8k would be the best of both worlds. It would also murder game performance, but oh well.

I mean, if that's the density you like, then sure. I think 1080p at 24" looks pretty bad.

I have UI scaling disabled on my 27" 4k display and it looks fine to me.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by occoder »

CRConrad wrote: post #418
occoder wrote: post #407

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I must admit that I've never used such a keyboard before, but it seems better to me than half-height arrow keys, or heaven forbid, half-height Up and Down arrows but full-height Left and Right arrows, what an abomination! What I don't understand, if they're going to include a numeric keypad on the right, is why they didn't make the bottom of the numeric keypad the arrow keys. Looking at [1], 2 should be Up, 0 should…

Why on earth should they make the numpad keys double as arrow keys?!? Then you couldn't navigate and enter numbers in, say, a spreadsheet without futzing around with NumLock all the time! Utterly ridiculous idea. That keyboard in your pic looks pretty perfect as it is.

I hate to break it to you, but the numeric keys already double as arrow keys on that "perfect" keyboard.

Besides, this is a laptop running Linux, what do you think is the more likely target audience? People entering numbers in a spreadsheet, or people doing software development?

Most of the comments here are people complaining that the numeric keypad is there at all.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by ncmncm »

CRConrad wrote: post #416
ncmncm wrote: post #390

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It comes from baseball. Southpaw pitchers have an advantage

I thought it was from boxing?

I am corrected.

The usual story is that is is about pitchers, but the timeline is wrong. The first official baseball game is cited as in 1846, with "southpaw" occurring in 1848 already referring to boxing.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by istingray »

Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

What $ price would you put on dedicated Linux support?

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by istingray »

reirob wrote: post #406
protomyth wrote: post #2

I wish a person could order one of these without the numeric keypad. I deeply hate being off-center to the screen when typing on these larger portables.

Absolutely agree, to a point that I don't even know which laptop to buy - almost all 15 inch have no centred keyboard. I don't understand how touch typers can work with these. I tried for a few days. What a nightmare.

Ya same here. Made my decision to purchase a System76 Lemur Pro pretty easy though, as that was the only model at the time with a centered keyboard and trackpad.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by istingray »

georgewsinger wrote: post #110

If you're into "Linux-first" computing, you might also be interested in SimulaVR's "Linux-first" portable VR headset: www.simulavr.com It will run with an 11th gen Intel compute pack (x86 ), and have premium specs (roughly double the resolution of the Valve Index). Turning it on will boot you into SimulaVR's VR window manager (built over the Godot game engine) with hand tracking. All open source. It's intended to be…

Oo neat, thanks for pointing this out. Linux-first is the way.
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