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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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It's a 15" screen! For 4K to even begin to make sense, you need a 40" diagonal, and with your face about a foot away from it. (For a more detailed explanation, ask a local fifth grader.)

40" diagonal seems a bit extreme. I think my 27" 4k display is perfect. My dad has slightly worse eyes and prefers his 32" 4k display, which I find noticably grainier but perfectly serviceable.

48" 4k is equivalent to having a quad of 24" 1080ps.

Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160).

I don't see whats extreme about this at all, its a better use of area than my trio of 24" 1080ps (in landscape) that I use now.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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8 minutes for a first compile on a non-trivial code base (ripgrep) is not that bad. Sure, you might call it a "low end system" but these performance choices can also save on battery use, which helps when coding on the go.

From what I could find, ripgrep is 40kloc... That means roughly 83 lines of code compiled per second. I'm sure there are languages on the PDP-11 (a 1.25 mhz machine) that compiled faster than that.

Uh... No. You're off by an order of magnitude.

    $ cargo vendor
    $ tokei vendor/ crates/ -t Rust -s code --exclude winapi
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Language            Files        Lines         Code     Comments       Blanks
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     Rust                 1248       615700       493777        83201        38722
And 8 minutes for compiling ripgrep sounds crazy. My i3 Mac Mini with 16GB of RAM compiles ripgrep from scratch in 1m48s.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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As this thread is highlighting, in my experience there are two kinds of keyboard users. Those that love their numberpad, and those that never use it. There seems to rarely be people in the middle. On desktops it mostly doesn't matter because you can shift the keyboard over relative to the screen. On laptops this translates into people completely loathing or loving the laptop entirely :) Personally in the never use it…

> On desktops it mostly doesn't matter because you can shift the keyboard over relative to the screen. It does matter. The arrow key cluster and numpad take a lot of space, which means the left side of the keyboard (where asdf / your left hand are) and your mouse have to be very far from each other. This leads to either putting the keyboard's letter key section in the center, making your mouse be uncomfortably far to…

You are totally right. I forgot about this. I went from the sculpt wireless to the sculpt ergonomic and the non detachable keypad was really annoying for that exact reason.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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From what I could find, ripgrep is 40kloc... That means roughly 83 lines of code compiled per second. I'm sure there are languages on the PDP-11 (a 1.25 mhz machine) that compiled faster than that.

Uh... No. You're off by an order of magnitude. $ cargo vendor $ tokei vendor/ crates/ -t Rust -s code --exclude winapi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Language Files Lines Code Comments Blanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rust 1248 615700 493777 83201 38722 And 8 minutes for compiling ripgrep sounds crazy. My i3 Mac Min…

Well, my laptop is AMD Athlon 3050U with ~3.33GB of ram ("4GB" but shared with GPU). Ripgrep definitely took that long to install last time I installed it. Dual core + ~3GB of ram, I can see 8 minutes being somewhat within reach. perhaps some aggro power throttling as well?

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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From what I could find, ripgrep is 40kloc... That means roughly 83 lines of code compiled per second. I'm sure there are languages on the PDP-11 (a 1.25 mhz machine) that compiled faster than that.

Uh... No. You're off by an order of magnitude. $ cargo vendor $ tokei vendor/ crates/ -t Rust -s code --exclude winapi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Language Files Lines Code Comments Blanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rust 1248 615700 493777 83201 38722 And 8 minutes for compiling ripgrep sounds crazy. My i3 Mac Min…

I was on my phone and trusted the Google results of "ripgrep sloc", thanks for the correction ! What takes so much code in the ripgrep codebase ? I am developing a cross-platform GUI app with audio, video and network features and it's not even 500k lines

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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It's oh so terrible isn't it? I feel like this is one of those flexible majority things that Nassim Taleb talks about [1]. The vast majority of people don't care one way or the other. There is a small minority who wants the numeric keypad and an even smaller minority that despises the numeric keypad and will never buy a laptop that includes one. For me, it's always been yet another selling point for the Macbook. [1]…

The trackpad is not centered. I'm the small minority that won't touch a laptop with an off centered trackpad. It's very uncomfortable for me as I use my right hand. Ideally manufacturers should make a large touch screen/surface that covers the entire area below the keyboard. We have the technology, it can be done.

Asus (IIRC) did that a year or three ago.

EDIT: Except the secondary screen is above the keyboard: https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Home/ZenBook/ZenBook-Duo-14...

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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I will never buy another laptop with a "short" right-shift key and the up-arrow next to it. For coding, it SUCKS to miss hit that and I never got use to it on the one laptop I've had with a keyboard like that.

I must admit that I've never used such a keyboard before, but it seems better to me than half-height arrow keys, or heaven forbid, half-height Up and Down arrows but full-height Left and Right arrows, what an abomination! What I don't understand, if they're going to include a numeric keypad on the right, is why they didn't make the bottom of the numeric keypad the arrow keys. Looking at [1], 2 should be Up, 0 should…

Why on earth should they make the numpad keys double as arrow keys?!? Then you couldn't navigate and enter numbers in, say, a spreadsheet without futzing around with NumLock all the time! Utterly ridiculous idea. That keyboard in your pic looks pretty perfect as it is.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Agreed. The least they could do, if a numpad really is necessary, is put something of equal size on the left side. A macro pad would be novel, or even just a left numpad so that right-hand mouse users could enter numbers at the same time.

They could do what Apple did 20 years ago: Make them modular. You used to be able to pop the trackball out from the right side of the keyboard area, slide the keys to the right, and then re-insert the trackball into the left side. Do the same with a num pad, instead of a trackball. And for people who don't want the num pad, make available half-width blank inserts to occupy the space on both sides.

IIRC that original Macintosh Portable even had a numpad as an alternative to the trackball, to go on whichever side you wanted (and presumably you'd connect a mouse to use in stead of the trackball).

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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40" diagonal seems a bit extreme. I think my 27" 4k display is perfect. My dad has slightly worse eyes and prefers his 32" 4k display, which I find noticably grainier but perfectly serviceable.

48" 4k is equivalent to having a quad of 24" 1080ps. Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160). I don't see whats extreme about this at all, its a better use of area than my trio of 24" 1080ps (in landscape) that I use now.

> Putting a trio of portrait 24" 1080ps gives you 42" of almost 4k (3240x1920 as opposed to 3240x2160).

As opposed to 3840 × 2160, no?

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