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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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That means that most people didn't even figure out how to attempt one, because the means were taken away. You should compare with suicides/suicide attempt rates in general population (or general prison population) to make this statement.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/health/prison-suicides-massac... General prison suicide rate is 20/100,000, which is almost identical to the male general population rate in the US (21.1) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r... ) I didn't quickly get data on attempt/completion in prison, but the attempt/completion rate is the general pop is ~30 attempts/completion, and the completion rate is d…

The general prison suicide rate isn't comparable- Epstein was in jail rather than prison, previously already on suicide watch from a supposed attempt and was more importantly possibly the most high profile prisoner of the Millenium.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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The two broken cameras must have been incompetent as well then. Not suggesting a conspiracy, but I wouldn't call it that anyway. Maybe it was just a crime.

Right? The amount of events that lined up in order for this "suicide" to take place are staggering * Mysterious incident a month before his death where Epstein is found on the ground in his cell with bruising on his neck * Epstein is taken off of suicide watch for unclear reasons * Epstein is placed into a cell containing only himself, going against prison regulations * Epstein is found hanging with a broken hyoid bo…

Add to this the fact that he had been reported as being optimistic about winning his case and had never exhibited suicidal behavior before, even when he was facing a serious sentence

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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That's not the issue with regards to the parent comment. The parent said he couldn't believe someone could kill themselves in a bare cell meant to stop people from suicide, but that's not where he was.

Exactly, thus my question.

What do you mean 'thus your question'? That's the first question everyone has, why would you ask it in an irrelevant chain of replies to someone who wasn't commenting on it in the first place?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Exactly, thus my question.

What do you mean 'thus your question'? That's the first question everyone has, why would you ask it in an irrelevant chain of replies to someone who wasn't commenting on it in the first place?

I don't know that's the 1st question everyone has.

I do know this meta discussion is unlikely to be worth it, and I am quite happy to move on.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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After he was arrested the FBI raided his mansion and took into its possession a large cache of CDs labeled "young with " which he kept in his safe. There were also hints that people visited his private island and his New Mexico ranch (which the FBI bizarrely still has not raided) before he was killed. So they may have confiscated the materials for any dead man's switch. Also, if Epstein was indeed an intelligence age…

Source?

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2019/08/13/computer-r...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-news-ranch-new-...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/08/jeffrey-epstein-called-sexua...

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

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Please don't use HN for flamewar. It's off topic here and we ban accounts that do it.

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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post #367

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Assange - for which I will get hate. He will publish, in full at considerable personal cost. I don't think there are any credible accusations about him doing anything else, ever. You can still hate him for whatever reasons you have and expect him to do just that. Have you seen Greenwalds thoughts on Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein. I'm not sure they should still be on that list... Maybe, but there's some doubt. More…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/10/mannin... Wherin Greenwald describes Woodward as follows: "Bob Woodward is a servant-journalist for US government officials." That's not pulling punches. Is it fair?

I mean I could make the claim

"Glenn Greenwald is a servant-journalist for Russian government officials."

with at least as much evidence:

https://arcdigital.media/why-are-internet-radicals-helping-p...

https://www.towleroad.com/2019/05/glenn-greenwald-russia/

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-m...

Is it fair? I mean calling a journalist an agent of the deep state for publishing leaks given to them is quite a leap... especially given that Greenwald is famous in large part for the same.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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The general dismissal of "conspiracy theories" as being categorically untrue and the realm of insane people is such a tired notion. Happily for the power structure, it is the very notion they hope we all parrot. Countless comments here and in similar threads start with some preamble about not believing in conspiracy theories, but... People all over the world are engaged in conspiracies. A theory is an attempt to unde…

> One thing I've learned is that if the media repeats something over and over again in order to imprint it into your brain, it's probably because there is an agenda behind it and not because it's the good old truth.

Like I asked the other person with this exact same opinion. Do you believe this to be true of all media or only the media you already disagree with?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/10/mannin... Wherin Greenwald describes Woodward as follows: "Bob Woodward is a servant-journalist for US government officials." That's not pulling punches. Is it fair?

I mean I could make the claim "Glenn Greenwald is a servant-journalist for Russian government officials." with at least as much evidence: https://arcdigital.media/why-are-internet-radicals-helping-p... https://www.towleroad.com/2019/05/glenn-greenwald-russia/ https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-m... Is it fair? I mean calling a journalist an agent of the deep state for publishing leaks given to…

I don't think there's any evidence of Greenwald publishing leaks provided by russian officials. Unless you go with the "Snowden is a russian asset" line which I find lacks credibility. Especially given how often it's been used. Lately Hilary is accusing Deomcrat candidates of it, which is, well, exactly in keeping with her character. An observation that is less controversial now than it used to be.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/hillar...

Never heard of towerload before, but wow, that article is comically terrible. Don't believe me? Here's a tweet from nobody making the same claim without evidence.

The arc digitial article (deliberately?) conflates all those idiots running around yelling "The President is a Russian spy!" and saying that is idiotic with not wanting Mueller's report at all as if those idiots were necessary for Mueller to perform his investigation and write a report.

So yeah, making the claim against Greewald. I'm going with "Not Fair" if that's the best evidence there is.

I've seen no credible evidence that Assange worked with russia fwiw (but the NYT article making the accusation had the silliest diagram I've ever seen in lieu of evidence - so silly it looked deliberately so - as a covert protest perhaps..? ymmv incompetence is the usual go to). If I saw some evidence I might well change my mind on that but I'm just not willing to see russians pulling strings without evidence. I believed WMD claims and I hope I learned /something/ from that error.

Quoting the actual content of Mueller's report. Yeah, I'm ok with that when reporting on it myself. Pointing out that Trump can be a horrible person and awful president without being a russian spy and that constant accusations of it are silly, counterproductive, a massive distraction from the duty of the fourth estate and just need to stop now so we can analyse reality is from the competent journalist playbook rather than a russian conspiracy IMHO.

The claim against Woodward has more legs because he gets top secret leaks and there's no investigation, there's no prosecution, there's no outrage and the stories he writes based on the leaks are anything but embarassing to the government. So I guess all that is at least consistent with what Greenwald is saying. I mean an article that embarasses the government based on leaks with woodward as author - that would be inconsistent and you'd have to address that to keep making the case at least. (well it's 1 this way and 5 the other or something - but I haven't seen the 1).

If I wanted to make a criticism of Glenn in the original context it is that he will use whatever you give him for maximum political impact in support of his political views (but will do so with integrity, eg Snowden is a republican and went to Glenn because of his integrity, also Barton Gelmann and deliberately avoided the NYT for burying stories which should have sent alarm bells ringing loud there, I wonder if it did). Is that political impact according to Glenn what you want? But I guess if what you want released embarasses the government, Woodward hasn't got much form since Watergate..?

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