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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by camjohnson26 »

mistermann wrote: post #180
cc81 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if it just was a suicide? If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Especially if there was a failed murder attempt just weeks before? And what stops the victims of naming names now? And what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying?

> If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Considering the circumstances, if you received information from Epstein, what would you do with it? Even if you were brave enough to risk your life in the service of justice, what authority would you even send it to?

Newspaper?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by cwkoss »

matt4077 wrote: post #204
jolesf wrote: post #46

This is a rabbit hole that I'm not endorsing just sharing the link https://twitter.com/LibertyBlitz/status/1148259553621864449

You can't just advertise whatever loony accusations your link goes to (I didn't click) and absolve yourself of responsibility. That's the old "I'm just asking questions..." shtick.

What in that thread do you object to?

Seems like it's all either factual or clearly labeled uncertainty ("seems", etc.)

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by dmix »

krn wrote: post #210
dmix wrote: post #71

This reminds me of that Netflix series about JonBenét Ramsey where they had all of these experts prove it was the brother who did it. It was all very weak stuff, but the people they used were all credible crime investigation people so it sounded legitimate. The poor brother was grown up now and a software engineer who already went through enough trauma and had to sue the show for defamation.

> The poor brother was grown up now and a software engineer who already went through enough trauma and had to sue the show for defamation. I have watched that documentary and as someone who has a lot of experience with autism spectrum disorder and complete inability to control one's actions at not such a young age, I have little doubt that he could have done that unintentionally . Even as an adult, he still doesn't l…

He unintentionally garrotted his sister in the middle of the night? Then left a basement window open?

They found touch DNA on her pants that matched a Latin male among lots of other stuff that just makes the whole brother story sound ridiculous.

Autism is also not sociopathy.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by aphextim »

ethelward wrote: post #200
cc81 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if it just was a suicide? If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Especially if there was a failed murder attempt just weeks before? And what stops the victims of naming names now? And what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying?

Let's take it the other way around and assume it was a murder. > would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Not being able to do that while in high-security confinment. > And what stops the victims of naming names now? Not wanting to die. > what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying? The only way to be sure he would not talk is to definitely prevent him from talking.…

It also sends a clear message to anyone who may know information to keep their mouth shut.

It basically says, "Yeah you can be put on 24/7 security, in a prison cell watched by rotating armed guards and we will still find a way to disable the cameras, get the guards away from you cell, and murder you."

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by marktangotango »

commandlinefan wrote: post #143

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

> I was shocked that anybody was shocked.

I agree, and I also think that's why there's no widespread outcry about surveillance among the general population. For example a lot of baby boomers grew up with "party line" telephones. I did, rural areas in the 80's still had them. You get used to idea of someone listening. I'm not saying this makes it right, just that it could explain the ambivalence of many.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by gameswithgo »

commandlinefan wrote: post #143

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

every time people get mad (not shocked) about some action, there is a guy posting on the internet expressing how dumb we are for being shocked.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by cc81 »

ethelward wrote: post #200
cc81 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if it just was a suicide? If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Especially if there was a failed murder attempt just weeks before? And what stops the victims of naming names now? And what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying?

Let's take it the other way around and assume it was a murder. > would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Not being able to do that while in high-security confinment. > And what stops the victims of naming names now? Not wanting to die. > what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying? The only way to be sure he would not talk is to definitely prevent him from talking.…

>Not being able to do that while in high-security confinment.

Why would he not be able to do that? He had access to his lawyer, right? Or why would he not be even more upfront and straight up tell the prosecution that someone tried to kill him and that he would spill everything for protection?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by alasdair_ »

antocv wrote: post #184
commandlinefan wrote: post #143

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by larrywright »

mistermann wrote: post #180
cc81 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if it just was a suicide? If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Especially if there was a failed murder attempt just weeks before? And what stops the victims of naming names now? And what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying?

> If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Considering the circumstances, if you received information from Epstein, what would you do with it? Even if you were brave enough to risk your life in the service of justice, what authority would you even send it to?

Honestly, Glenn Greenwald would probably be where I’d turn to. I’d trust him as a journalist, for sure. There aren’t a ton of them who’ve publicly demonstrated how they handle something of this importance (Woodward and Bernstein are the only other two I can come up with off the top of my head).
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