Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by icantdrive55 » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:16 PM UTC

tremon wrote: post #392

13of40 wrote: post #309

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Do you mean the kind where my wedding cake costs twice as much because I'm gay or the kind where my car insurance costs twice as much because I'm a serial car wrecker?

What about the case where your car insurance costs twice as much because some of your neighbours are serial car wreckers?

The insurance industry is Ripe for reform--political, and business reform.

I've noticed a few start-ups trying to shake up the system, but there's rooms for so much more competition/innovation.

I'm talking about all forms of insurance--car, home, life, business, heirloom, etc. (I have only felt like I wasen't getting reamed with insurance premiums by one company. It's a well know company that insures collectable vechicles.)

Home insurance is for all practical porposes useless, but we still pay huge premiums. Now--they are using the drought in CA to triple insurance rates in parts of this state. Why--not because of risk analysis--just because they can.

Your house practically needs to burn to the ground in order to see any money from these "Good ole boys", and they will fight you at every turn.

They have been ripping us all off for years.

With vehicle insurance, don't fall for the six month premium--Esurance.

Don't just get into the habit of paying that ever increasing bill because you see "good driver discount", or "long term customer discount".

I have never had an insurance premium go down with the same company, and I've been insured since I was 15.5 years old. They go up slightly, even with a good driving record, and no change in risk level.

I am so disgusted with California auto insurance rates; I wouldn't mind seeing mandatory insurance nixed.

The insurance companies lobbied hard for that bill. It made sence at the time, but Insurance industry did what they do best; abuse it for their benefit.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:17 PM UTC

neves wrote: post #196

rimantas wrote: post #66

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Try contacting Google about anything.

I think he has a good point. A lot of our business and life are under the rule of big private companies. We are merciless to question their behavior even when their acts have great impact upon us. Sure, we should add add a lot of names to this list: "Try contacting [Apple|Google|EBay|PayPal|AmazonAws|.*] about anything."

And, ironically, the same people _enabling_ these companies by building all their tech are right here on HN!

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by aianus » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:22 PM UTC

brianwawok wrote: post #283

fattire wrote: post #253

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You have other means to distribute your app w/Android, including self-distribution. It's an uphill climb to be sure, but there are apps who do that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but iOS doesn't offer that opportunity as sideloading and non-Apple markets are not possible unless you jailbreak your device

Can you name a single Android app that has even made 100k distributed via side loading? I can't.

Betfair app

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by aianus » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:26 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #400

rjbwork wrote: post #274

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If you're actually paying Google money, they have pretty decent support. I've gotten support for their ad platforms, their apps for work, Google Fi, and my Nexus phones/tablets. I see no reason for them to, nor do I expect them to, provide me support for things like GMail, or Hangouts, or their search.

> If you're actually paying Google money, they have pretty decent support. I wish I could pay for my browser, my email and my search...

You can pay for the email, I do.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by kkarakk » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:43 PM UTC

pentae wrote: post #355

molmalo wrote: post #248

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In their eyes, it's more like "we give you 70% of OUR sells in OUR platform, to OUR captive customers, they just happen to buy your App but they will buy something else if we want to ban you..." It's a matter of perspective. In their eyes, they are being incredibly generous with that deal.

I own an app that pays social media celebrities to respond to fans, we pay them 60% of our profits. Apple broke their own app store rules stating we would be disqualified from IAP and forced us to use it. So after we pay out our partners of which our entire app exists, Apple are making 3x more money than we do from our own app. And take 2 months to pay us. Oh, and provide no transaction id's for unique customers so i…

are you the guys who pay celebs to advertise that random social media app on their snapchat/instagram with taglines like "more on [social media app i've never heard of and a chance to talk to me"? really amusing tactics that abuse the core fanbase's rabid enthusiasm for content from their favorite personalities. i never considered that the appstore is probably taking a lot of money from you too

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by intrasight » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:46 PM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #366

intrasight wrote: post #277

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There is a choice - and it is the right choice. Just make your software browser-based.

That's not a choice. Browser technology is still a long way from native performance.

That may be true for 3D games. But for things like Dash, a documentation standard, I doubt it matters.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by allending » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:51 PM UTC

mavrc wrote: post #161

giarc wrote: post #81

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I wouldn't expect Apple to understand compliance for every possible use case. Apple doesn't have to bend their rules to comply with apps that want to comply with local/state/provincial/federal laws, they can just say "We don't support x feature, and therefore you can't distribute through our store."

| "We don't support x feature, and therefore you can't distribute through our store." Of course, for iOS, this also means "you can't write apps for our platform."

This isn't accurate. You can certainly write iOS apps and distribute using the Enterprise distribution mechanism for a number of use cases.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by briandear » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:53 PM UTC

bambax wrote: post #367

sametmax wrote: post #361

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Except apple is not society. It is not democracy. It's a for profit company, and can do whatever it wants. It is in no way entitled to be fair. If you don't want it to behave this way, as a consumer or developer, you just have to choose to not deal with it. But you don't want to, because it makes you money and makes you life more comfortable in some way. What it means is that you value money/confort more than been re…

Society can decide what behavior is allowed and what isn't. Just because a company is a company doesn't mean it's out of reach of judicial rules. A company can't dump chemicals in any river without oversight; it could be compelled to accept an appeals process when terminating a contract with a developer.

These aren't even in the same league of similarity. Dumping chemicals harms society -- even those who are not participating in a particular market. Apple dumping a dev? Not even remotely close. A company should have the right to terminate a business arrangement provided the terms of the contract governing such an arrangement are upheld.

Imagine it this way: you are a contract developer, should you have no right to terminate a contract with a client under the terms of the agreement? Almost every contract I'be ever signed as a developer has some form of "either party can terminate this agree with notice."

From what I am reading here, we want to hold Apple to different rules than the ones we ourselves routinely follow?

I get it: Apple should give the guy an explanation. However making laws to require it? That's absurd. Should there be a law that when a girl (or guy) doesn't accept a dinner invitation that they provide a valid reason? That's really what this comes down to. And no, Apple isn't a monopoly. This company can still sell their products, just not at that particular store.

I feel bad for the situation, but extending government power into private business relationships is a bad idea. Contract law already covers this.

Society isn't harmed by this company not being able to sell on the App Store. This isn't dumping chemicals into rivers or denying service based on skin color.

If the developer was wronged, he could file a lawsuit. However given that the contracts governing the relationship were known in advance, the situation is just the realization of the risks inherent in doing business.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by rubber_duck » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:56 PM UTC

glogla wrote: post #408

rubber_duck wrote: post #405

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The reason these things are regulated is because they are fundamentally limited by and tied to land property/ownership laws and there is no way to efficiently reach a consensus without violating them. IT infrastructure has nothing in common with this aside from ISP.

That might look the way in theory, but it is not so in practice. There will never be another Google, or another Facebook, or another Amazon - efficiency based on scale and network effect mean they are entrenched as monopolies for ever, too big to fail.

Ten years ago you could be telling the same story about Yahoo and Microsoft and look at them now.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by briandear » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 12:59 PM UTC

sametmax wrote: post #389

bambax wrote: post #367

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Society can decide what behavior is allowed and what isn't. Just because a company is a company doesn't mean it's out of reach of judicial rules. A company can't dump chemicals in any river without oversight; it could be compelled to accept an appeals process when terminating a contract with a developer.

But what apple is doing is not currently illegal. Just highly disrespectful. Now we can act as a society to make it illegal, but this won't happen.

Making this illegal is a dangerous slippery slope. It could end up like France where firing an employee can be a multi year process and the result-- a shortage of permanent contract employment because employers fear being stuck with an employee forever.

Making this illegal would result in an arduous approval process just to join a marketplace. Additionally it could result in bad actors being unable to be expelled from a market while the legal process unfolds. That could result in a net loss to consumers. Imagine a malware developer -- Apple can't evict them quickly because they'd have to perform extra legal investigation so they wouldn't get in trouble for acting too quickly.