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Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by fattire »

dandare wrote: post #234

I am annoyed by something else: today Apple stepped on the wrong toe, the community will cry foul and someone from Apple who reads HN will rush to salvage the situation. We have seen this pattern before (usually but not exclusively with Apple). But what about the thousands of small and nameless developers that were crushed by some script bug or killed by operator misclick? Who will ever help them?

Take this question for what it is-- I'm not blaming the victim here-- but how much responsibility do small and nameless developers bear for making a deal with the devil to begin with? Don't they go into this knowing that Apple can at any time capriciously cut them off from the sole means of distribution of their product at will?

I get that there is money to be made on the iOS app store-- but why is there a willingness to set up shop in a town where if one of the local officials doesn't like you-- for any reason-- he or she can effectively confiscate your hard-made product so you can't sell it anywhere else and kick you outside the walls?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by bobsil1 »

molmalo wrote: post #248
kennywinker wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's enraging is you pay 30% of your sales for that abusive treatment.

In their eyes, it's more like "we give you 70% of OUR sells in OUR platform, to OUR captive customers, they just happen to buy your App but they will buy something else if we want to ban you..." It's a matter of perspective. In their eyes, they are being incredibly generous with that deal.

Eh, without the apps the phone wouldn't sell in those numbers. In their eyes they are dependent on the devs.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by fattire »

joemi wrote: post #241
izacus wrote: post #41

The thing the pisses me of about these cases is this: "I called them again and they said they can’t provide more information." They terminate your account and then they even refuse to tell you why. A basic human thing, a chance to fix the issue, but no. Go f* yourself from Apple and that's it.

For what it's worth, both Amazon and Google can be the same way. (I've had to deal with such from both of them before.) That said, it's not always that way with them, and I suspect Apple is similar. We always hear about the rough encounters, but few people write about "I just had this issue, and it got cleared up immediately. The end."

You have other means to distribute your app w/Android, including self-distribution. It's an uphill climb to be sure, but there are apps who do that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but iOS doesn't offer that opportunity as sideloading and non-Apple markets are not possible unless you jailbreak your device

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by sangnoir »

joshstrange wrote: post #199
copperx wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong.

I don't think the parent comment was actually agreeing but instead of mocking Donald Trump's response to Hillary's comment about him not paying federal income tax. But I could be wrong.

I suspect the comment you replied to was also quoting Trump, specifically a moment during the first debate when he leaned into the mic and whispered "wrong" repeatedly to counter something Hillary had said. Surprisingly, I can't find the gif right now considering how rampant it was.

Atttibuting 1-word quotations is a guessing game, I might as well be...wrong

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by halestock »

bobsil1 wrote: post #252
molmalo wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their eyes, it's more like "we give you 70% of OUR sells in OUR platform, to OUR captive customers, they just happen to buy your App but they will buy something else if we want to ban you..." It's a matter of perspective. In their eyes, they are being incredibly generous with that deal.

Eh, without the apps the phone wouldn't sell in those numbers. In their eyes they are dependent on the devs.

The iphone sold in those numbers even before there was an App Store.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by Natanael_L »

RIMR wrote: post #155
zymhan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also weren't using as many walled-garden devices and ecosystems a decade ago. There are certainly a lot of issues with the app store model. But using a service like download.com was also rife with issues.

Why can't we just have the equivalent of APT for mobile devices?

F-Droid?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by molmalo »

bobsil1 wrote: post #252
molmalo wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their eyes, it's more like "we give you 70% of OUR sells in OUR platform, to OUR captive customers, they just happen to buy your App but they will buy something else if we want to ban you..." It's a matter of perspective. In their eyes, they are being incredibly generous with that deal.

Eh, without the apps the phone wouldn't sell in those numbers. In their eyes they are dependent on the devs.

That may be true at first, but when they have a huge part of the market... they could argue: "without our customers, you wouldn't have that many users". Kind of like a chicken and egg situation. When they already have such a large slice of the pie, they start to care mostly about the bigger app developers, and the small ones are just something they need to show big numbers, but they are not that important anymore...

(Just to be clear: It's not that I think they are not important, it's what I perceive as their attitude when things like this happen)

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by sossles »

bobsil1 wrote: post #252
molmalo wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their eyes, it's more like "we give you 70% of OUR sells in OUR platform, to OUR captive customers, they just happen to buy your App but they will buy something else if we want to ban you..." It's a matter of perspective. In their eyes, they are being incredibly generous with that deal.

Eh, without the apps the phone wouldn't sell in those numbers. In their eyes they are dependent on the devs.

They are dependent on developers as a whole, but not on any individual developers (with perhaps a few exceptions).

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by Rotten194 »

fattire wrote: post #251
dandare wrote: post #234

I am annoyed by something else: today Apple stepped on the wrong toe, the community will cry foul and someone from Apple who reads HN will rush to salvage the situation. We have seen this pattern before (usually but not exclusively with Apple). But what about the thousands of small and nameless developers that were crushed by some script bug or killed by operator misclick? Who will ever help them?

Take this question for what it is-- I'm not blaming the victim here-- but how much responsibility do small and nameless developers bear for making a deal with the devil to begin with? Don't they go into this knowing that Apple can at any time capriciously cut them off from the sole means of distribution of their product at will? I get that there is money to be made on the iOS app store-- but why is there a willingnes…

You act like there's a choice -- customers get apps through the app store, so that's where developers have to be if they want to eat.
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