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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by barrkel »

BeetleB wrote: post #96
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog). I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so. Why do people expect to have a right…

You come with a belief, then you wonder why other people don't have the belief. The belief was exogenous for you. Why do you believe the belief is not exogenous for others?

I guess you never talk to coworkers about your weekend. That's on the job. I see you mention the water cooler; how dare you talk there?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #246

Do most people who work in AI companies realize that if this buildup of reasoning models succeeds at what every tech CEO is aiming for, all of them will be out of a job?

It is pretty obvious they won't succeed at that with LLMs.

They don't even understand what these people do.

It is delusion and lies all around.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by duskdozer »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #83
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

Well, no, there should be an expectation of privacy; an employer shouldn't just be able to have a palantír for their employees.

>I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code.

Okay, now this sounds like satire. But I suppose that's the way the world is going.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by eloisius »

Yesterday I was doomscrolling computer vision related stuff on LinkedIn. I hate it, but often looking for freelancing ops in CV. A video appeared in my feed of some South Asian laborers sewing in a garment factory. All of them had cameras mounted on their heads. Otherwise, they looked exactly like you’d imagine beleaguered sweatshop workers would look. Exhausted, dull expressions looking into the camera as whoever was filming the video walked by.

The presentation of the video and all the comments were on awesome cool ego-centric video understanding research that’s going to totally obsolesce human labor. I couldn’t get over how grim the video was. Here are some people in one of the least desirable positions in the world, and that’s not enough. Now they must labor without a shred of dignity, knowing they’re training their own replacements and likely not a thing they can do about it.

I’ve struggled to find enough freelance work to stay busy recently, but more than that I’m starting to feel a moral crisis. It’s getting harder and harder for me to feel like what we’re collectively doing isn’t absolutely fucked.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by pjerem »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #383
pjerem wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Idk in the US but in France you are allowed to have personal data on your work computer. Though you have to label it as personal (like creating a « Personal » folder or label and your employer can still access it in case of suspicion but he must do it in your physical presence and accompanied with a witness, generally a representative of the employees. So you theoretically don’t have full privacy on this computer but…

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I couldn't care less. Statistically I will live longer and be happier than "Live to work" anglo protestant" so I really don' mind about GenAI stuff.

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Post by sandworm101 »

Blackthorn wrote: post #169
dagmx wrote: post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of people. My irony detector is sparking so badly I think it's about to blow.

No. It would be best if it included the higher-ups too. I think we all just assume that the c-suite, and anyone who might talk to the legal department, are exempted. And HR (medical info). Or maybe meta is just that stupid that they havent.

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Post by duskdozer »

reroute22 wrote: post #360
resident423 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta employees are not typically known for their deep concerns about privacy.

Don't confuse employees with execs. It's a gigantic company with almost 80k employees. Most cultures around the world are acutely aware that the actions and opinions of their leaders are not a reflection of behaviors and opinions of regular citizen.

It's also much less of an undertaking to move companies than move countries

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Post by te_chris »

bradlys wrote: post #95
__loam wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta forces employees to use personal Facebook accounts at work.

Everyone here is slightly wrong. Meta does require you to have a Facebook account. The expectation is that it is your personal fb that you use regularly. However, it doesn’t need to be. You can create a new fb account with a new gmail account and that’s fine. That’s what I did and some others do as well. That said, 90%+ of employees end up using their real personal account because the language they use makes it seem…

Cool that they don't let others do it. I tried to make a work fb account to access the hellscape that is business manager and they blocked it. Pricks.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Post by itake »

whilenot-dev wrote: post #400
itake wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My ex-employer (non-FANGA, but still over $10b mkt cap) started using similar software.

Feels good to read the "ex-"-part in your sentence. It'd be analog to my supervisor sitting right behind me and keeping a super dense protocol - no fucking way, ever.

while not the main reason, I definitely cited it as a reason for departure in my exit interview.
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