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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#91
post #26

I like to imagine they’ll mostly capture meta employees using AIs to do work. Then they’ll deploy models trained on this, and begin capturing employees using AIs that are good at using AIs to do work. Repeat a few times and they’ll start capturing the keystrokes from people mashing their heads into keyboards with dispair and exclaiming, “Why can’t these models do anything anymore!!”

Breaknews: Meta makes the ultimate AI version of "Cat sits on your keyboard" simulator

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#92
post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

There shouldn't be any expectation of privacy? There absolutely should!

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if at any time Mark can ask Meta AI ‘which of my employees insulted me today’ for example, that’s wild

I insulted him in my mandatory Exit Interview form from HR when I resigned. It had no impact of recruiters trying to win me back since then.

Until the day when Zuckerberg meets you, and his Ray Ban glasses profile your face and pull up that comment on your exit interview as pertinent information.

His eyes glaze over and he just reads that instead in his corner vision instead of listening to you, and you get snubbed forever more

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#94
post #34

For context, when the article says "a list of work-related apps and websites," this includes Google properties like gmail, docs, etc, and social media websites like Facebook and Instagram, with no provision for excluding personal accounts.

At meta your personal FB account is your work account. I had to create one to get paid. It’s the same identity used in internal systems.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#95
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one intelligent should be logging into their personal accounts on their work devices in any case - it's always been the case (at least in the US) that companies can do whatever invasive scanning they want on devices they own.

Meta forces employees to use personal Facebook accounts at work.

Everyone here is slightly wrong.

Meta does require you to have a Facebook account. The expectation is that it is your personal fb that you use regularly. However, it doesn’t need to be. You can create a new fb account with a new gmail account and that’s fine. That’s what I did and some others do as well.

That said, 90%+ of employees end up using their real personal account because the language they use makes it seem like you couldn’t do what I described.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#96
post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

> You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy.

When I joined the workforce a long time ago, I went in with the mindset that: Their property, their equipment, their right to monitor (or even keylog).

I was pleasantly surprised to find that not to be the case, but I've always believed in their right to do so.

Why do people expect to have a right to do non-work related stuff on the job? Every company I've worked for states in the employment contract/policies what you can and cannot do on the job. They never enforce it to the extent that they outline in the policies, but it's usually clear cut.

If you want to rant about the company, do it outside the company! Or at a physical water cooler. When coworkers want to rant to me about the company, they don't use Slack/Teams. They message my personal, non-work number.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, if at any time Mark can ask Meta AI ‘which of my employees insulted me today’ for example, that’s wild

I insulted him in my mandatory Exit Interview form from HR when I resigned. It had no impact of recruiters trying to win me back since then.

> I insulted him in my mandatory Exit Interview form from HR when I resigned.

How can they legally mandate an exit interview when you resigned? Is it part of the employment contract? What would have happened if you showed them the finger and not participated?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#98

> to improve the company's models in areas where they still struggle, like choosing from dropdown menus and using keyboard shortcuts Seems like a strange approach in general. I'd have assumed you'd just have it use accessibility features to get at things, if there is no other interface.

Knowing how to make an accessible website is so rare that companies pay me money to do it for them. I wish it was good enough for people, much less companies, to rely on.

Even if no attempt at proper accessibility was made, it's still generally far easier to attempt to find an HTML (or other form of UI) element, than to attempt to scroll to the right spot and use visual inspection to find things.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#99
post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Tbh that's to be expected, the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy. I work at a tech firm in India, and we are encouraged to create skills.md based on the traits of our colleagues, with the intention of reducing key personnel risk. A handful of engineers were let go as the result of a re-alignment, and their AI counterparts are actively maintaining their code. I wo…

> the work machine is the company's property and there shouldn't be any expectation of privacy.

A bogus argument, methinks. Consider that the company also owns the phones, but can or do they listen to every phone call ?

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#100
post #42

This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

if you use your work machine at Facebook for dissent, you don't deserve a tech-adjacent job.
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