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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by fc417fc802 »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #120
tssva wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no legal requirement to show id or answer any questions to establish identification before flying. In other words there is no extra work required by law which the fee would cover.

Like someone who would deliberately show up to work in a speedo because "show me where in the employee handbook it says I must wear pants"

A better analogy would be a legally protected right to show up to work dressed in street clothes, your boss imposes an illegal requirement to wear a specific uniform, and then attempts to charge you if you show up without one.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by monksy »

philipkglass wrote: post #29
tdeck wrote: post #22

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They've been pushing it back every year because states haven't implemented it uniformly. Washington gave me a non real-ID card in 2022. IIRC the only real-ID option at the time was an Enhanced ID which can be used to cross the border from Canada and costs $100.

Washington gave me a non real-ID driver's license in November 2025. I don't plan on upgrading it unless forced to since I also have a passport.

Get a passport card or a Global entry card .. easier to carry on you for domestic travel.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by user3939382 »

keeda wrote: post #358
caseysoftware wrote: post #160

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> So it was never about security at all then, was it? Never was. I flew every other week prior to covid and haven't once been through the scanners. For the first ~6 years, I opted out and got pat down over and over again. Then I realized I could even skip that. Now at the checkpoint, I stand at the metal detector. When they wave me to the scanner, I say "I can't raise my arms over my head." They wave me through the m…

> The TSA was NEVER about security. It was designed as a jobs program and make it look like we were doing something for security. To a great extent, it is security, even if it's mostly security theater, in the sense that it is security theater that people want . A large portion, maybe even the majority, of travelers simply won't feel safe without it. I've had and overheard multiple conversations at the airport where…

Taxpayers haven’t agreed to fund theater they agreed to fund safer travel. The failed audits of TSA are totally unacceptable

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by monksy »

toast0 wrote: post #373
asdf_snar wrote: post #261

I think I must be confused, but after reading many of the replies, I can't figure this out. Is the standard American perspective that one shouldn't have to show any form of identification to go through security, get on a plane, and travel anywhere within the United States? How does anyone associate your ticket to your identity?

My American perspective is unless I'm participating in an activity that definitely requires carrying and presenting ID, I don't need to. Driving is such an activity. Transiting national borders as well. Maybe opening a bank account, but really it should be up to the bank if they want to see my ID. If I'm travelling but not operating the vehicle, why should I need to carry and present ID? I'm pragmatic, and it's conve…

> Maybe opening a bank account, but really it should be up to the bank if they want to see my ID.

KYC rules make it require much more than showing an id.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by refurb »

This article seems oddly hung up on the legality of providing ID.

That’s all well and fine, but airlines have the discretion to refuse to board passengers, including for potential security risks.

So yeah, there are no laws saying you have to provide ID, but that doesn’t mean you’ll get to board the plane.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by defrost »

noduerme wrote: post #406
defrost wrote: post #336

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Honestly, I would just give them a pass to carry a ceremonial knife, if they could prove they were Sikhs and not someone pretending to be. But I guess that's why we can't have nice things and why the same rules have to apply to everyone. I think most reasonable people understand that they can't preserve every aspect of their personal beliefs or pride in a situation involving the safety of millions of people flying da…

Sikh's carrying a knife, a bracelet, a comb, etc. has never bothered me in the slightest in all the decades I've known about this - the Khalistan movement in a particular location during a particular time aside, they're not exactly actual postcards for terrorism (despite what some might think when faced with people and turbans).

They always had a pass here in Australia for many years until things tightened up.

Not that I'm a fan, but in general Rules are Rules and making exceptions while fair in some senses will be unfair in others .

Circling back to my initial comment- it is the case that there is an actual reason rather than a made up bit of bullshit, to reasonably suspect that a Sikh might be carrying a knife ... if they are they're almost certain to also have a comb .. so that's handy.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by tsimionescu »

noduerme wrote: post #406
defrost wrote: post #336

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Honestly, I would just give them a pass to carry a ceremonial knife, if they could prove they were Sikhs and not someone pretending to be. But I guess that's why we can't have nice things and why the same rules have to apply to everyone. I think most reasonable people understand that they can't preserve every aspect of their personal beliefs or pride in a situation involving the safety of millions of people flying da…

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by ssl-3 »

mothballed wrote: post #146
crazygringo wrote: post #138

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...they don't let you fly. They can't detain you (if you're not otherwise some kind of suspect, and you're not trying to assault them or sprint past security or anything), but they don't let you fly.

... if you aren't detained you are free to go. And if you are free to go, you are free to stay, unless the property owner has trespassed you. TSA doesn't own the airport, at least in my state. So how can they trespass you from the airport or otherwise continue to detain you from moving forward? I mean, I know you're right, and I know you will always lose if you try, but I don't understand the legal basis.

As far as I can tell, a person is free to go if they refuse screening: They won't be getting on a flight, but they can just leave. There's no detainment involved in this process.

Whether they can then elect to stay is a different matter, I think.

But so what? How long would a person have to stand in a screening area before someone who properly represents the ownership of that space shows up and authoritatively tells them to GTFO, do you suppose?

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by NewJazz »

Fhch6HQ wrote: post #242
ehasbrouck wrote: post #202

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As of the imposition of start of this new fee/fine, about 200,000 people a day fly without ID or without REAL-ID: https://papersplease.org/wp/2025/05/28/200000-people-a-day-f... - At $45 a pop, that would bring in >$3B a year. "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money."

That's a really disappointing source. The headline is '200,000 people a day fly without REAL-ID', which starts out quite interesting. It then goes on to explain that the TSA has reported 93% of traveler's complied with REAL ID, citing a TSA blog from a week prior which in fact states the same. They then take this and couple it with a single day, which they state was the busiest travel day of the Memorial Day weekend,…

The number you came up with is still in the same order of magnitude of the source...

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by parineum »

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #377
otterley wrote: post #376

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You did not. This is the answer of someone who has lost the argument and knows it, but refuses to admit it. The door is that way; kindly let yourself out.

Since you're pretending to be a lawyer and losing an argument I'll highlight the part that answers the question: >"shall not be infringed" and "shall not be violated" do not leave loopholes. It's quite clear.

There's a branch of government who's job is to write laws, who's job is to interpret laws and one who's job is to enforce laws.

Which one are you?

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