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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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In the USA it is possible to fly without an ID?

I had a friend who flew out of SFO without an ID for many years without much issue. It was much more difficult for them to get back.

SFO is one of the few international airports with private security instead of TSA.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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I used to have a Sikh manager who wore a turban. Whenever we traveled together, he would get "randomly" stopped. While they were patting him down, he would inevitably chuckle and say something like "So what are the odds of being 'randomly' selected 27 times in a row?" I don't know the specifics of the process for selection, but I can confidently say that the process is bigoted.

In proper English usage it would only be a bigoted (obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group) check if it was unreasonable to suspect a Sikh of carrying a Kirpan. The Rehat Maryada would suggest that is in no way whatsoever an unreasonable suspicion. Sure, yo…

As a white guy who was caught accidentally carrying a large knife once through security, at the bottom of a carry-on backpack I'd had since high school, I don't think it's in any way essential to use racial or ethnic markers to figure out whether someone is taking something dangerous onto a plane. I didn't even know I was trying to bring a knife onto a plane at a regional airport. There's no reason to think that Sikhs are explicitly going out of their way to hide something.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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It is, but I think that's a separate issue. There's no authorization, let alone a mandate, to prove identity to move about. The mission, ostensibly, is to make air travel safe by ensuring that passengers don't bring dangerous items onto the plane. It's not to track who is going where.

I didn't personally experience it (I was too young), but I think that was part of "the mission" since pre-9/11. The point of the ID check is to make sure the boarding ticket and ID match. In effect that tracks who is going where.

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Saying that there is “no legal requirement to show an ID” is truthy but misleading. Federal law gives the TSA authority over “screening” passengers: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/44901 (“The Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration shall provide for the screening of all passengers and property, including United States mail, cargo, carry-on and checked baggage, and other articles, that…

From TFA: > The Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA), which is set law, provides a “complete defense” against any penalty for failing to respond to any collection of information by a Federal agency that hasn’t been approved by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), isn’t accompanied by a valid PRA notice, or doesn’t display a valid OMB Control Number. As the article works through, as a Federal Agency the TSA cannot just…

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/11/20/2025-20...

Well apparently Congress passed a law that said TSA could just demand money as long as they published a notice in the federal register.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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post #179

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Real ID is/was needed because every state has different requirements to get one. The whole debate is hilarious, you need one or two extra documents to get RealID. The exact same amount of time and trips to DMV.

A general reminder that every extra obstacle to getting a valid ID (or voting) disproportionately impacts the poor. They often lack the paperwork, the free time, and the money to deal with the extra process involved.

Absolutely. With Real ID, the biggest pain for a lot of people is proof of residency.

Rich people just print out some combination of a bank statement, a pay stub, and a copy of their mortgage or lease or the electric bill, but poor people may not have much of that. Think of someone staying with family and getting paid by a gig economy job to a Cash App card or just working under the table/doing odd jobs.

Once you start with less common documents, there seem to be more arcane rules, and the documents poor people do have often don’t quite fit the rules that were basically written around what people middle class and up are likely to have.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In proper English usage it would only be a bigoted (obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group) check if it was unreasonable to suspect a Sikh of carrying a Kirpan. The Rehat Maryada would suggest that is in no way whatsoever an unreasonable suspicion. Sure, yo…

As a white guy who was caught accidentally carrying a large knife once through security, at the bottom of a carry-on backpack I'd had since high school, I don't think it's in any way essential to use racial or ethnic markers to figure out whether someone is taking something dangerous onto a plane. I didn't even know I was trying to bring a knife onto a plane at a regional airport. There's no reason to think that Sikh…

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Explain to me how qualified immunity is better than any ill it is supposed to address? And how is it that if you sue the government and win, then the judgement doesn't automatically award reasonable legal fees?

Two separate things. Qualified immunity is just immunity from individual liability afforded to government agents when conducting government business, as long as they are conducting it properly.

Except the whole "as long as they are conducting it properly" part isn't actually true.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

#338

Saying that there is “no legal requirement to show an ID” is truthy but misleading. Federal law gives the TSA authority over “screening” passengers: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/44901 (“The Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration shall provide for the screening of all passengers and property, including United States mail, cargo, carry-on and checked baggage, and other articles, that…

You seem to be under the impression that the word "screening" means TSA can do whatever it wants. When in fact, if you click on the link under the word "Screening" in the own link you posted, there is a definition provided. > (4) Screening defined .— In this subsection the term “screening” means a physical examination or non-intrusive methods of assessing whether cargo poses a threat to transportation security. You s…

The site is confusing since, if you click the link, you don't see the context. But that definition is for cargo screening only.

If you scroll down and look at it in context, that definition is under section (g): "Air Cargo on Passenger Aircraft".

And of course passengers aren't cargo.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Does facial recognition work better with one photo or many?

Does it matter? If you carry your phone with you they can already track you as well as tag readers when you are driving.

Why should the default be "more tracking" and not "as little as justifiably necessary"?

It doesn't even save time, in fact it takes more time screwing around with the camera

What problem is any of this solving?

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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That would be sensible if the traffic signs were in English.

Can you read Chinese? Can you identify what this traffic sign means? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/CN...

How about Japan?
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