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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Sell 51%, you mean. And 51% is still owned by Chinese investors. https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/In-Depth-How-SoftBa...

Can't read that article, the point is it wasn't a JV until they decided to sell that 51%.

Oh, sure, ARM just happened to decide to sell 51% of their Chinese subsidiary. I assume they really needed the money, and sold 51% instead of 49% because that 2% was a chunk of change they really needed.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Can't read that article, the point is it wasn't a JV until they decided to sell that 51%.

Oh, sure, ARM just happened to decide to sell 51% of their Chinese subsidiary. I assume they really needed the money, and sold 51% instead of 49% because that 2% was a chunk of change they really needed.

Honestly confused what you're insinuating. They needed to sell that 2% to get the deal done probably, to tempt the buyers.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Language like this exaggerates individual-user harms of TikTok by comparison to lethal street drug, conflating them with public, national-interest harms. This is disingenous, as reported by common-sense. For example, my city does not have sidewalks lined with tents full of TikTok users, but the same cannot be said of the comparand. This has either or both of the following knock-on effects: - Undermine trust in the sp…

It could certainly be true that a modest harm to 80 million people is comparable to a serious harm to a smaller number. Of course fentanyl is pretty clearly a more serious issue but I think it's plausible they are in the same ballpark.

Come back when people start getting held at knifepoint so someone can get fix of TikTok.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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You do realize that this would effectively ban American apps outside of the US? I live in a country that is quite cozy with the US, yet our governments usually have to reject American software since there is no protection for our citizens. Now imagine that applied to the population as a whole.

Hey that's awesome. Laws should be harmonized or else cross border trade should be restricted. No sense in giving the market to apps that are illegal in your country just because they operate on the internet.

So Americans should only be as free as the least free countries? Not a smart move.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Vine died (or was killed) before TikTok started. It was more outcompeted by Instagram and Snapchat iirc. https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13456208/why-vine-died-t... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok

This is incorrect. TikTok is actually a direct descendant of Musical.ly which Bytedance bought and rebranded, and was in competition with Vine.

Fta:

TikTok is an international version of Douyin, which was released in the Chinese market in September 2016.[10] It launched in 2017 for iOS and Android in most markets outside of mainland China; however, it became available worldwide only after merging with another Chinese social media service, Musical.ly, on 2 August 2018.

From the links above Vine was already dying if not completely dead before TikTok was ascendent.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

Because this is a matter of national security, that's why. Yes, we can treat foreign companies differently than local companies, on the issue of data privacy, because of these national security concerns.

Totalitarian governance introduced in the name of national security. It's pretty wild how fast Americans move to shred the constitution if scared by a boogyman, real or otherwise.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Have any direct, verifiable, falsifiable and testable evidence with clear a audit trail? I'd love to see it Sorry for the high bar. Remarkable stories of secret vast networks of communist mind control have a long history. I claim aggressive skepticism of supposed international plots by a cabal of communist puppetmasters is warranted. I mean Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, real spies. Not saying this stuff is impossible,…

You're surprisingly passionate about defending TikTok and CCP. Also, I want to note how your comment is structured: 1. Demand an impossible proof. 2. Gaslight with remarks about vast spy networks, mind control and illuminatis. 3. Distract with an irrelevant, but true story. Like I said, you're defending TikTok & CCP with surprising passion and competence.

It's not impossible.

I literally gave two examples along with a giant book of where such proof is.

Yes, true stories, that's what I'm asking for. Not fantastic tales inspired from the protocols of the elders of Zion.

Something like the Panama papers or Epstein or the VW emission scandal. There's more examples

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I'm consistently surprised that many people in the tech community treat China as some unknowable country that we only get a few snippets of insight in from our media. If you work in tech, you most certainly have a few Chinese citizens as coworkers and colleagues. Talk to them about what life is like if you're curious, don't rely on "60 minutes". TikTok in China may be moderated but only to keep anything controversial…

Do you know if it is possible to access Douyin outside of China? I think it would be an interesting experience to see it first-hand and also I guess the language barrier would no be a huge issue if the content is similar to TikTok.

You can just install

https://apps.apple.com/app/id440948110

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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You're surprisingly passionate about defending TikTok and CCP. Also, I want to note how your comment is structured: 1. Demand an impossible proof. 2. Gaslight with remarks about vast spy networks, mind control and illuminatis. 3. Distract with an irrelevant, but true story. Like I said, you're defending TikTok & CCP with surprising passion and competence.

It's not impossible. I literally gave two examples along with a giant book of where such proof is. Yes, true stories, that's what I'm asking for. Not fantastic tales inspired from the protocols of the elders of Zion. Something like the Panama papers or Epstein or the VW emission scandal. There's more examples

At this point, I would even settle for circumstantial evidence. Just no "it might happen".

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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The message this sends if it passes is not “don’t spy on people”. The message is “play ball or get banned”. It’s hard to come up with a principled justification for allowing Facebook to operate with impunity while banning TikTok, unless those principles are highly aligned with those of three letter agencies. This leads me to the cynical interpretation of “national security” objections. The spying was never the issue.…

The principle is "social media companies not under the control of the US (or at least the West/US allies)" should be banned.
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