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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Post by dylan604 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #175
dylan604 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes me wonder how much Meta is financing any lobbying effort to get this passed?

If they are, this could backfire spectacularly. Planting the idea that social media can be manipulated by the owners to persuade a population moves social media closer to traditional media companies and further away from mere "platforms" eligible for section 230 protection.

Only the evilEmpire would do something untoward with that data. You can trust a US company implicitly. /s

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Post by eatonphil »

reset-password wrote: post #328

To me this signals that TikTok isn't sharing with the 3-letter agencies and they don't like it.

It's been happening lower than the federal level. :) There seem to be reasons for it with substance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alabama-utah-become-latest-...

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Post by dougmwne »

lcfcjs wrote: post #184
dougmwne wrote: post #119

Why not? China doesn’t allow our social media. Why should we allow theirs? We can easily copy the best parts of the platform and let our companies take their users. Plus, social media can be used for mass political manipulation, and what justifies letting them hold that power over our population? It’s good for our companies, it’s good for our people, and it takes away a dangerous tool from a country that is more and…

Because we are a democracy with freedoms protected by the government. If we copy their tactics on digital democracy, where do we draw the line? Should we also start locking people in their houses if they have covid?

When ever has “being a democracy” meant, “we need to give our adversaries unlimited ability to feed propaganda and disinformation directly to our citizens”?

Our rights apply to our citizens, not to foreign governments. They should have no right to speak to us. They should have no right to do business with us. Our elected representatives can and should regulate this international trade.

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Post by LarryMullins »

rayiner wrote: post #100

I don’t understand the bi-partisan dislike of Tik Tok. As far as content goes, it’s pretty wholesome compared to what you see on movies and TV these days. It’s much better at giving kids age appropriate content than other sites. There is also a lot less commercialized stuff. Way better than cartoons that peddle toys and junk.

> I don’t understand the bi-partisan dislike of Tik Tok. As far as content goes, [...]

The quality of the content is the reason. It's excessively cringe.

If it were simply "because China" then this bill wouldn't be targeting social media specifically. But it does, and other Chinese apps aren't addressed. If it were because of foreign social media influence, this bill wouldn't be calling out TikTok solely and specifically, and would presumably also mention WeChat, etc. But it doesn't. It's about TikTok specifically, and I think the reason is a visceral disgust for the content on TikTok.

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Post by dismantlethesun »

II2II wrote: post #191
AlbertCory wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, it's the old slippery-slope argument again. I'm fine with banning all apps from countries that require their app-makers to share data with the government. If that requires an international treaty to codify when a company must share data (e.g. only with a criminal warrant), then great, let's do that. China would refuse to sign that treaty? Even better.

You do realize that this would effectively ban American apps outside of the US? I live in a country that is quite cozy with the US, yet our governments usually have to reject American software since there is no protection for our citizens. Now imagine that applied to the population as a whole.

Hey that's awesome. Laws should be harmonized or else cross border trade should be restricted.

No sense in giving the market to apps that are illegal in your country just because they operate on the internet.

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Post by liketochill »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #145
MBCook wrote: post #68

I don’t remember exactly when Congress seemed to figure out they could spell things by making backronyms of bill names, but boy I wish they’d stop. How about “Anti-TikTok Act of 2022”.

I'm pretty sure that's a uniquely American thing too. At least I've never seen it in France. But yeah, the bill names get really goofy sometimes.

They need to be marketed to the public and lawmakers to get passed and like a cve with a catchy name and brand they get more attention with a good name. Eg 1200 page bill which includes the governments entire platform summed up as inflation reduction act

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Post by ozymandias12 »

eatonphil wrote: post #333
reset-password wrote: post #328

To me this signals that TikTok isn't sharing with the 3-letter agencies and they don't like it.

It's been happening lower than the federal level. :) There seem to be reasons for it with substance. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alabama-utah-become-latest-...

It makes a lot of sense for one gov to not want their BYOD policies affected by foreign (read adversary) countries. Cool.

It doesn't make sense to cut TikTok from US civilian devices because: Land of the free, free speech etc etc etc.

The other guy you replied to is correct, CIA/NSA et all don't like they can't swing their ducks into Bytedance servers and doctorate the content without exposing intelligence agencies MO to the Chinese.

Every American should be fighting against such bill because when domestic cronies own all domestic media, you guys are in a virtual China. Media plurality is the beacon of a healthy democracy, so suck it up Rubio

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