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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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post #371

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> I can never find the features easily because I don't know which pane or tab group it's supposed to be in. In an attempt to be helpful, in case you don't know about it, the shortcut ctrl-shift-a brings up a quick search box of every action, pane, or other ui in IntelliJ. You don't have to drill down to get places, you can just jump there directly.

That does help, thank you! I use the search bar all the time (shift shift shift), but didn't realize "Actions" meant IntelliJ commands... thought they were referring to Github-like macros. Damn you, ambiguous technobabble!

> Damn you, ambiguous technobabble!

Well, you are the technobabbler... :-P

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Fleet is not open source, offers little over VS Code and is not as fully featured as the full JetBrains IDE's. Who are intended to use this?

Don't worry. It will very likely be open sourced. They'll open source it for the same reason they open sourced intellij.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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post #71

Although I only speak English I greatly appreciate the fact their blog is available in so many other languages. Are their IDEs interfaces available in multiple languages too?

JetBrains offers IntelliJ-based IDEs in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2021/07/language-packs-publi...

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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To be fair, Wayland is still new (compared to how long Java has existed), and Java/OpenJDK may improve support in the future.

Wayland is almost 15 years old by now, and it's on track to be enabled by default on most distros as well.

Java is 26 years old.

The first distro to use Wayland by default was Hannah Montana Linux, 10 years ago. Only recently have more widespread distros started using Wayland by default.

Java is old, and Wayland is comparatively new.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.

The culprit is the JDK11-based JBR. I was ready to dump JetBrains tools due to their lagginess, but with some deviousness (which might not suit you), I now have them running slipperier than a wet fish, by using JDK15/16 and JAOTC. Instructions are here: https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r... (I am very keen to tell people who are in the same despair as I was about how slow JetBrains apps are…

I've tried this now on my 2019 Macbook pro, and my 2018 Thinkpad T480 running Linux. On Mac, I can't say I really noticed a difference. Also there were quite a few font rendering issues that were resolved with whatever patches Jetbrains has applied. On Linux, certain actions are definitely faster. For instance, Ctrl+Tab to either quickly tab switch or bring up the tab switcher menu was always instantaneous, where-as beforehand there was sometimes a pretty long delay.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

Where do you come up with such a ludicrous statement? Try using VS code for python development and then use pycharm before you sit here and tell me that they don't have any other product that is competitive with VS code.

Not to mention they have an excellent multi database system management tool called data grip. But you go on and keep using VS code to manage your databases. Have fun with that.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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For sure. I like IntelliJ, all I want is for it to be snappier; it gets pretty laggy with bigger files (like, more than one screen), it seems to have to do a lot of work that interrupts the main UI thread when it comes to redoing syntax highlighting and error checking. I mean, the main reason why I'm not using vs code for most of my work is because it's cmd+click to go to definition isn't as good, auto/hotfixes aren'…

I don’t know why Jetbrains doesn’t already switch to a newer jdk. I found this tutorial (only the vm options part) to make intellij really snappy: https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r... It basically changes the jdk to version 16 (I used one from the openjdk website, not azul) where the new low-latency ZGC garbage collector is available and increases the default heapsize. Now I have a quite la…

I wish this worked. I tried switching to Azul Zulu 15 (macOS), but that rendered the IDE completely non-functional, and I had to switch back.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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I wish there was benchmarks for IDEs/editors, just like there are benchmarks for web frameworks (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ https://web-frameworks-benchmark.netlify.app/).

For instance, given some Java program/project:

1. Clock time from selecting "Run" in the IDE to first line written to stdout (to measure startup time)

2. Clock time from selecting "Debug" in the IDE to breakpoint hit and debugger able to inspect stack (with breakpoint on line N)

3. Total memory used with open project, with single editor window open.

4. Total memory used when breakpoint hit.

5. Clock time from selecting "Run tests" in the IDE to test results are displayed

6. Clock time from selecting "Debug tests" in the IDE to breakpoint hit and debugger able to inspect stack (with breakpoint on line N)

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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For my job I spend a lot of time working on a python package that uses threads. I’ve found that pycharm’s debugging tools are much better than vscode’s when it comes to threads. Also, auto imports are possible while I don’t think I’m able to do that in VScode. If someone can tell me how to set up VSCode to do this better, I would love to know. However I also need to be able to support other engineers who typically do…

What do you mean by auto imports? If you type a function, type, or other token in VS Code that is not part of the scope, but exists in the environment, it will suggest and complete an import for you. At least for Typescript.

It's not great in Python from my experience. Much worse than PyCharm, at least.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

My company used to have JetBrains toolkit for every developer and we trialed VSCode for a year. There was no noticeable difference in productivity. We then switched to VScode and canceled all subscriptions to JetBrains because we have no more reason to pay JetBrains anymore.
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