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Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by fwn »

onezerozeroone wrote: post #112
Alex3917 wrote: post #30

IMHO this reflects poorly on CloudFlare. The supreme court has ruled time and time again that the right to free speech implies the right to be heard. While CloudFlare obviously isn't legally required to serve 8chan, the only service they are really providing is making it so that 8chan can't be DDOS'd. And DDOS'ing is very clearly a tactic that violates the first amendment. So really by no longer serving 8chan, the on…

It's been ruled private companies can discriminate against homosexuals by refusing to provide service to them (ie: a wedding cake). Also been ruled you can discriminate against customers based on religious beliefs (ie: refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control) see “religious refusal” and “conscience protection” laws.

I don't think the main disagreement in this thread is about whether the ban was legal but whether it was moral.

There are the usual side-debates though: the ban being strategically effective and the ban being in-line with how the us constitutions concept of free speech gets interpreted.

Personally I'm not sure to what degree the latter might be relevant for an apparently(?) Filipino company.

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Post by g00s3_caLL_x2 »

anewguy9000 wrote: post #226
g00s3_caLL_x2 wrote: post #204

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https://dailycaller.com/2015/10/12/remember-the-2007-harvard... It's interesting that the link that was @ Harvard with a pdf of the results (that Harvard published...) is now a broken link. Here is a working copy: https://www.garymauser.net/pdf/KatesMauserHJPP.pdf Gary Mauser who is also a Candadian criminologist. Interesting indeed. https://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/

That link should be flagged. "This would explain why shootings occur in “gun free zone” schools and movie theaters rather than in police stations or gun clubs." Seriously HN?

"That's like...your opinion..man" - The Dude.

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Post by lr4444lr »

DuskStar wrote: post #282
hacknat wrote: post #251

What does free speech have to do with this? Cloudflare and other companies have 1st amendment rights as well. One of them is that they can serve customers as they like, as long as they are not violating the rights of a protected class. Political ideology or party affiliation is not a protected class, nor should it be. Twitter could ban every Republican on its platform tomorrow and it if the government tried to stop t…

> One of them is that they can serve customers as they like, as long as they are not violating the rights of a protected class. Political ideology or party affiliation is not a protected class, nor should it be. Twitter could ban every Republican on its platform tomorrow and it if the government tried to stop them the Supreme Court would likely side with Twitter. Where's the line between "political ideology" and "rel…

Not letting Jews post Jewish content is different than not letting Jews use the service qua their being Jewish.

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Post by vernie »

mffnbs wrote: post #379
XaoDaoCaoCao wrote: post #231

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Lol These aren't exactly organized bands of people funneling in millions of dollars for carrying out actual training and misson planning/execution. They're watering holes where disaffected elements of society hyperbolically play up various happenings. Just take a step back for a moment. We have an increasing population and increasing saturation of that population with streams of data. When something happens, we know…

The "hyperirony" excuse is complete bullshit. It's not redeeming when the defense is that they only support, encourage, and enable terrorism because it's a joke. That would make it more despicable, even. Instead we have incredibly racist and hateful people who don't see themselves that way making excuses. They're still shit humans. You don't murder people and say it was irony as your defense.

But I said "lol" what more do you want from me? A "lel" perhaps?

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Post by metamet »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #403
DonHopkins wrote: post #261

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I've lost good friends to 4chan/8chan. They were obsessed. At first it was cat pictures and memes, but it went way downhill from there. I've watched those sites cause the transition from normal, interesting, reasonable, open minded, intelligent, happy human beings, to horrible inexcusable pieces of shit who I never want to have anything to do with ever again. It's not just that they inspire a few shooters and mass mu…

I'm interested in how that can be the case. Do you mind sharing some more details of how normal people can go off the deep end through their experiences on the sites?

I posted this above, but it is a direct response to your question as well: Just look at the absurdity of Qanon. This troll gone long [1] has affected real people and real relationships [2].

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-...

[2] https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22664244/qanon-boyfri...

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Post by colinmhayes »

mrlala wrote: post #281
nilkn wrote: post #43

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I'm on the record here defending /r/The_Donald. I'm even on the record saying I didn't think it should be quarantined and that I don't think it should be banned in the future. It takes a lot for me to wonder if something actually should be censored. I certainly wouldn't have been on the side of censoring Howard Stern. Radicalizing terrorists to such an extent that they actually go through with it -- multiple times --…

Hey the morons in /r/The_Donald can say what they want. That is what we have all determined. However, one of the largest social media sites out there (reddit) does NOT have to allow them to congregate together. Reddit should have banned them years ago. They are actively responsible for providing a place for hate to thrive. You can be 100% pro free-speech and still agree that no one (except the government is some form…

No one is claiming reddit legally has to give anyone a platform. The claim is that it would be immoral to censor the donald.

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Post by geophile »

The usual argument on this topic is: whether suppression of free speech is even effective; you just push the ugliness underground and it festers; sunlight is the best disinfectant; etc. However, those arguments go back way before the internet and social media. And do not account for the fact that social media accelerates the spread of hatred and actual, physical danger. As we are seeing.

The role of 8chan (and, let's be real: Fox "News"), is similar to that of the broadcast hate messages that led to the Rwandan genocide. https://www.concordia.ca/research/migs/resources/rwanda-radi...

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Post by lonelappde »

manigandham wrote: post #388
byuu wrote: post #356

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Several of these extremist sites even forbid and censor attempts at calm, level-headed rebuttals to such hatred. They exist solely to propagate bigotry. The dog and pony show from Google and Cloudflare of only stepping in after multiple mass shootings and tons of press coverage tells you all you really need to know about these companies' ethics. They react to sufficiently bad PR, not out of any set of principles, be…

Censorship rarely, if ever, solves anything. These companies are not crime-fighting services and will have no impact on criminal activity.

What is a crime fighting service?

More specifically, what is a crime prevention service?

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Post by orpheline »

blablabla123 wrote: post #133
tombert wrote: post #50

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I think I'm on the same boat as you on this one; I tend to have a pretty libertarian view on free speech, but lately the bizarre rise of hyper-radical idiots on places like 8chan (and even YouTube to a lesser extent) has really made me question these things. It's very easy to shout the mantra of "Free speech!!! OMG!!!" but we gain nothing by acting like there aren't natural consequences to it. By having a liberal fre…

Totally agree. But also one needs to say that this is of course the tip of the ice berg. I don't think people land there right away, but rather start maybe at some "normal" YouTube video's comment section or the comment section of some politics focussed news site. People voice their trashy opinions there - which is totally fine - but there are so few balancing/calming opinions. Especially if you have some conspiracy…

My concern: the person expressing 'calming, positive comments' gets doxed and/or SWAT'ed for their efforts.

I agree in principle with what your suggesting, but at this point those boards are echo chambers, not spaces for discussion.

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