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Re: 8chan goes dark after hardware provider discontinues service

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Post by mrlala »

nilkn wrote: post #43
commandlinefan wrote: post #20

I’m old enough to remember when Howard Stern, as quaint as that seems today, was considered one of the greatest threats to civilization and had to be “de-platformed” before he could successfully destroy society - and the reasoning they used against him was _exactly_ the same as this reasoning: “he, himself (8chan, itself) is not going out and doing horrible things, but he’s encouraging people to go out and do horribl…

I'm on the record here defending /r/The_Donald. I'm even on the record saying I didn't think it should be quarantined and that I don't think it should be banned in the future. It takes a lot for me to wonder if something actually should be censored. I certainly wouldn't have been on the side of censoring Howard Stern. Radicalizing terrorists to such an extent that they actually go through with it -- multiple times --…

Hey the morons in /r/The_Donald can say what they want. That is what we have all determined.

However, one of the largest social media sites out there (reddit) does NOT have to allow them to congregate together. Reddit should have banned them years ago. They are actively responsible for providing a place for hate to thrive.

You can be 100% pro free-speech and still agree that no one (except the government is some form, meaning sure they can hold meetings in public places, etc) HAS to give them a platform. Anything private can and should say NO.

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Post by DuskStar »

hacknat wrote: post #251

What does free speech have to do with this? Cloudflare and other companies have 1st amendment rights as well. One of them is that they can serve customers as they like, as long as they are not violating the rights of a protected class. Political ideology or party affiliation is not a protected class, nor should it be. Twitter could ban every Republican on its platform tomorrow and it if the government tried to stop t…

> One of them is that they can serve customers as they like, as long as they are not violating the rights of a protected class. Political ideology or party affiliation is not a protected class, nor should it be. Twitter could ban every Republican on its platform tomorrow and it if the government tried to stop them the Supreme Court would likely side with Twitter.

Where's the line between "political ideology" and "religion"? Is it your assertion that "kill all the jews because we're nazis and our leaders say jews are evil" is something that you should be able to ban while "kill all the jews because islam says jews are evil" is protected?

Since religion is almost always a protected class.

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Post by metalgearsolid »

I think it's really important that the web be free and open and I think Cloudflare and now Voxility have done a tremendous job in exercising their freedom as private entities to shut down voices of hate.

Other service providers can step up to the plate and bear the consequences of providing service to communities that incite violence to the point of having direct ties to mass shootings.

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Post by gamblor956 »

mieseratte wrote: post #211
CydeWeys wrote: post #76

We wouldn't tolerate the existence of an Islamist site that glorified and helped perpetrate mass incidents of terror against our society. What 8chan is doing is exactly the same, minus the Islamist part, yet there's hypocrisy in how they're treated vs e.g. the social media wing of ISIS. These people are trying to kill as many of us as possible. In no way should society accept it. It's simple societal self-defense. Ro…

> We wouldn't tolerate the existence of an Islamist site that glorified and helped perpetrate mass incidents of terror against our society. I certainly would tolerate those sites. Free speech arguments aside, you can't kill the hydra, but you can severely degrade intelligence operations watching that hydra. Best case the bad guys all end up on sites already being surveilled, worst case they slip under the radar. We h…

And a few months later ISIS died because the lack of easily-spread propaganda destroyed its ability to recruit susceptible idiots to its cause to replace all the soldiers that were being killed.

IOW, mission accomplished.

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Post by Karunamon »

corodra wrote: post #258

A bit out of the loop. The hell is 8chan? Similar to 4chan? Are the by the same people? I always knew 4chan was a cesspool, just like youtube comment sections. So, never ventured. Next question, is there any actual evidence or proof that they're "apart of it"? Literally, out of the loop and I trust a random person on HN a bit more than CNN. I saw the thing about Cloudflare here... was it yesterday? Day before? I figu…

8chan is basically 4chan, but with a Reddit-esque spin: anyone can create their own sub-board and moderate it as they please so long as the content they allow isn't illegal in the USA.

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Post by keymone »

DrDimension wrote: post #92
danharaj wrote: post #15

"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the deaths of others your right to say it." How many free speech absolutists have "skin in the game", or whatever? Every alternative to censorship suggested always puts the burden on the victimized. Like, "if you debate it in public you will defeat these bad ideas". Few who are free speech absolutists roll up their sleeves and volunteer to take the action they presc…

The truth is that information does not radicalize people - censorship does. That's why the channers are as radicalized as they are - they've been censored everywhere else. Censor their last remaining outlets and you will increase violence by orders of magnitude. If ethno-nationalists are not allowed to make their political case with speech, what alternative would they have but violence? You obviously can't change the…

> If ethno-nationalists are not allowed to make their political case with speech, what alternative would they have but violence?

Plenty of nazi sites on the web where they make all sorts of “political cases”. Don’t confuse inability to make the case with repugnance to that case in general public.

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Post by [deleted] »

anewguy9000 wrote: post #226
g00s3_caLL_x2 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://dailycaller.com/2015/10/12/remember-the-2007-harvard... It's interesting that the link that was @ Harvard with a pdf of the results (that Harvard published...) is now a broken link. Here is a working copy: https://www.garymauser.net/pdf/KatesMauserHJPP.pdf Gary Mauser who is also a Candadian criminologist. Interesting indeed. https://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/

That link should be flagged. "This would explain why shootings occur in “gun free zone” schools and movie theaters rather than in police stations or gun clubs." Seriously HN?

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Post by cm2012 »

corodra wrote: post #258

A bit out of the loop. The hell is 8chan? Similar to 4chan? Are the by the same people? I always knew 4chan was a cesspool, just like youtube comment sections. So, never ventured. Next question, is there any actual evidence or proof that they're "apart of it"? Literally, out of the loop and I trust a random person on HN a bit more than CNN. I saw the thing about Cloudflare here... was it yesterday? Day before? I figu…

8chan is where the people too extreme and gross for 4chan went.

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Post by dd36 »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #187
cortesoft wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. Free speech also means that everyone can decide to turn their backs on people saying these sorts of things, and not let them use the things we have built to spread their message.

>Free speech does not require that we give people a platform. That's true! Unfortunately it gets a little more complicated than that. As providers enjoy PLATFORM protections that align with the ideas of free speech. Meaning they will enjoy legal immunity from content they host so long as they won't decide who gets a voice or why so long as the content is legally allowed. They aren't liable because they didn't have a…

Cloudflare is not acting as a publisher.

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Post by Karunamon »

mrguyorama wrote: post #239
nilkn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the record here defending /r/The_Donald. I'm even on the record saying I didn't think it should be quarantined and that I don't think it should be banned in the future. It takes a lot for me to wonder if something actually should be censored. I certainly wouldn't have been on the side of censoring Howard Stern. Radicalizing terrorists to such an extent that they actually go through with it -- multiple times --…

/r/The_Donald is not very far from the kind of hatred and prejudice used on 8chan. White supremacists use places like /r/The_Donald to "normalize" ideologies and move the overton window far enough from normal that the extremer places like explicit calls to violence on 8chan are now palatable. It's all part of the same pipeline.

Nonsense. The kind of hate and prejudice posted on 8chan /pol/ would be deleted in a heartbeat on T_D. The worst you can say about T_D is that they don't like Islam, and given the violence and regressiveness it promotes, I can't blame them.
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