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I'm very very skeptical that Waymo is far ahead, if ahead at all. Tesla has already an impressive product on the road that is constantly improving. Waymo could (likely) go the way of vaporware for all we know.
It would be very surprising that the cars that are already driving around Phoenix, AZ are vaporware.
I see this trend continuing for Tesla. Aside from Musk's leadership, which is very polarizing, I don't see their cars as being very compelling compared to the upcoming offerings of Audi and Porsche. Tesla isn't really competing against Ford/Chevy/Honda/Toyota. Instead they are competing against BMW/Mercedes/Porsche/Audi. By comparison Teslas seems like a toy compared to those other brands so I will gladly wait and gi…
I feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to believe your garbage propaganda against Tesla.
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You should watch the Rich Rebuilds series of videos about the problems he had buying a used Model X from Tesla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ro6kpKlw0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgMTx_xFezM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxSQuGeoug8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezqwfha-BZ8
Yes, I've seen all these, and I'm staggered at how bad the used tesla experience seems to be. They can't even get simple basics right. Buying a used Tesla should be a simple, straightforward experience and run smoothly - after all, they are not cheap. I buy and sell cheap (sub £2000) cars on the side. I have a better customer experience than that. That is a damning indictment.
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I was close to buying a used Tesla from Tesla, but this is making me pause. Am I being unreasonable? I live in the Bay Area where I feel like the only person without a Tesla or two.
I bought a Model S last year and around the time of weedgate I decided the risk was too great and sold the car. It seems from the used market that the value has plummeted. The one I bought is easy $40k less just a year old. Repairs and parts availability is one of the biggest risks. Could easily see situations where a small fender bender causes a total loss.
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Am just curious, why does everyone believe that Waymo is way ahead. They have more miles driven, but so does Tesla. Waymo has some incredible guys going after autonomy but they have nothing to show as of yet at the L4 or L5 level. Is it because they are playing it super safe. They don't have any urgency to make money from autonomy unlike Tesla. Are they taking it easy ? Per my understanding, Tesla is tackling autonom…
Waymo is a technology demo, not a functioning operation that spits out self driving cars by the tens of thousands per quarter. They are many years away from having that. That's fine if they pull it off; it's the way big technology startups are funded. Alphabet is playing the long game here. However, Tesla is talking about making the tens of thousands cars they are shipping per quarter right now autonomous. We'll see…
Tesla doesn't spit out full self-driving cars in any number in any quarter, while Waymo is actually operating FSD cars in a limited, but public and commercial, role. So Tesla is still behind.
> However, Tesla is talking about making the tens of thousands cars they are shipping per quarter right now autonomous.
Yes, if one was looking for the industry leader in talking about delivering full self-driving, Tesla would be much more clearly competitive than they are in actually delivering. But talk is cheap.
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EV are still too expensive and Tesla ridiculously so. That’s not a problem if you can’t keep up with demand, but competition creeps up. Why would you buy a Tesla when you can buy a Hyundai Kona for a lot less? We need better leadership though. I live in Denmark where EVs aren’t very widespread because of taxes. In Norway more than half of new vehicles sold are EV. Norway has more money than us, but they didn’t really…
"Why would you buy a Tesla when you can buy a Hyundai Kona for a lot less?" Sorry, but this is just a completely dumb question/statement. People buy 5x the number of Teslas than Konas because they Teslas are much, much more delightful.
Sorry, but this is just a completely dumb statement. The reason Tesla sales are higher is partly because Hyundai literally cannot meet the demand for this car (https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/11/hyundai-reassures-...). Economics is a real phenomenon, and way more people would rather have basic transportation + an extra $80k in their pocket than be “delighted” by owning a P100D.
Well, I guess that explains the Autonomy Day [1] event from just two days ago where they presented themselves as the Pack Leader, when everyone else knows it's Waymo (by far). Quoting user RivieraKid [2]: Take a moment and think about why are they doing this event now. Elon is setting a stage for a capital raise, he's pitching the autonomy narrative after the Model 3 cash cow narrative failed. They're trying to convi…
I'm very very skeptical that Waymo is far ahead, if ahead at all. Tesla has already an impressive product on the road that is constantly improving. Waymo could (likely) go the way of vaporware for all we know.
Tesla has no full autonomy product on the road. On full autonomy, Tesla could easily go the way of vaporware.
> Waymo could (likely) go the way of vaporware for all we know.
Waymo has fully autonomous vehicles in (limited) commercial operation. Like Tesla, they plan to use self-driving to operate a ride-hailing service; unlike Tesla, they are actually doing that now, if only in a limited way.
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It would be very surprising that the cars that are already driving around Phoenix, AZ are vaporware.
Isn't the real problem that Phoenix, AZ is the spherical cow of self-driving?
Phoenix, AZ, is in the real world, with real roads and real customers for a real, if limited, self-driving service. Waymo’s self-driving is far less vaporware than Tesla's.
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Tesla has about $9B in debt. They are not an attractive takeover candidate. They've never turned an annual profit.
VW Group’s recent Audi e-tron has to 30-40% lower range than a Tesla 3 (~200 miles vs ~325 miles) and as such I would totally see them putting forward the money to buy Tesla in order to bridge this big technological gap.
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Elon Musk only controls 20% of Tesla shares, the board can force a sell upon him if the other shareholders agree on one. And I'm not sure why Apple would buy a car company, it's too far of their core business (aka selling computers ranging from phone sized to desktop size). The other car manufacturers are not blind idiots, they are seeing EVs are becoming a thing, but it's also in its early stages. The question for t…
All three of your paragraphs are incorrect.