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Re: Siri AI

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Post by dang »

nandomrumber wrote: post #352
perching_aix wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, it reads to me like they've simply been around, and this is the general impression they gathered. Which may still not even be true, but it makes a whole lot more sense context wise, and is pretty darn different to the conveniently malicious motivation you're proposing. And with this, now your own "royal we" is similarly rendered deceptive. > At the very least to the extent that the whole setup limits…

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Re: Siri AI

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Post by kalleboo »

nobody_r_knows wrote: post #18

This whole "coming this fall", "later this year", it's annoying. I miss the days when Steve Jobs used to say "and it's available right now, you can demo it in the hall outside, we're going ot make a billion dollars by tonight."

So... 2001? Because by 2002 (MacOS X 10.2) Steve was already "previewing" the next MacOS at WWDC for a release in the fall.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by xp84 »

tyre wrote: post #253
himata4113 wrote: post #154

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de... This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI. Apple already: 1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update) 2) has strong kernel enfo…

It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today. In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some fea…

Apple may have a true argument that their version of “AI” is currently the least privacy-problematic, but it’s not a compelling one. First of all, it sets an awkward precedent. This special status is mostly based on vibes, and on how we know the other guys’ business models will push them towards more data collection. But doesn’t make sense to say we allow anticompetitive behavior depending on how nice to how “nice” the aspiring monopolist is to their users.

Google can easily argue that if Apple gets to rule over a walled garden, zero-API ecosystem where no one else can compete, then it’s right that they can too, regardless of how privacy-respecting they are or aren’t.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by xp84 »

onesociety2022 wrote: post #277
thewebguyd wrote: post #256

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> Apple is doing the right thing for users. The right thing for users would be to allow user choice, and for Apple to compete fairly. Apple allowing third party access doesn't automatically mean user data gets hoovered up by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. It just means users now get the choice, if they want to make that choice. Users could stay with Siri/Apple if they care about what Apple is offering, or choose to accept t…

I never understood how any regulatory body is going to decide which APIs in iOS must be made available to third-parties to hook into. So what if I'm a third-party maker of TCP/IP stack and I want Apple to offer me the ability to sell my custom TCP/IP stack to my iOS customers as a replacement for the stock TCP/IP stack that ships with iOS. Clearly no regulatory body has cared about that because it's too niche of a sp…

> the list is endless.

Good. They are making an operating system. User choice and competition matter. I know Apple would prefer to allocate more resources to Liquid Glass animations and burying more UI elements inside “…” menus, but I personally think I don’t need any more innovation above the OS level from Apple. Especially because 80% of their changes to the application layer in 10 years have just made their platforms worse.

Let them ship a stable platform that allows applications to do tons of useful things, even when you don’t accept a mega-package of apps and services all from the first-party vendor that locks you in.

If Apple built houses, you would have to jump through hoops every time you use a microwave or lamp you didn’t buy from Apple.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by skillina »

mattmaroon wrote: post #245

I switched from android to iOS 7 years ago and I’ve actually been debating going back just because of how bad iOS is at AI. And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis. And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare. Siri seems to rarely get better and sometimes actually get worse.

Same problems on Android. Google Assistant was better in 2016 than it is in 2026, and the Gemini assistant is a joke. They can’t even integrate with their own music app (YouTube Music) properly.

I switched to iOS this year and I’ve been learning that the grass is not much greener. I do miss uBlock Origin. Maybe my next stop is GrapheneOS or a similar degoogled ROM…

Re: Siri AI

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Post by xp84 »

brookst wrote: post #319
jaggederest wrote: post #295

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> What about making Apple Watch specific APIs in iOS be made available to all third-party watch makers so any one can bring any smartwatch and use it just as effectively as the Apple Watch with an iPhone? What about all the AirPods specific APIs that lets Apple offer a better experience with AirPods than a generic bluetooth earbuds? What about Apple Pencil? And so on... Don't threaten me with a good time? All of thos…

Should you be able to use a Samsung SoC in an Apple phone? At some point this is just a debate about vertical integration. Apple can deliver better experiences with it, but of course it limits user choice. Many people want fully modular, open systems, which is lowest common denominator. I can see both sides of the argument, but I am so skeptical of regulators deciding what can be integrated or not. If modularity is b…

> why don’t they prefer modular systems?

Because there aren’t any to choose from?

“Smartphone” has become a mandatory thing everyone is required to use to function in society without major friction.

Businesses hate supporting a ton of distinct platforms, as proved by the developer marketplace killing Windows Mobile through refusing to ship apps for it.

This suffocates any third entrants just like the FPTP voting system suffocates third political parties.

So what modular OS are people supposed to choose?

Re: Siri AI

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Post by gumby271 »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #321
gumby271 wrote: post #263

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Could the restriction not be the device owner choosing to use it? If some rando vibe coded an app and the os told me all the things it can access, I'd probably want to trust the developer before installing it. Why do I need to beg Apple's permission to use software better than their first party offering?

Because you made the choice to trust Apple when you bought an iPhone. And while you may make a deep study of who is providing your alternative AI app (is that even possible with openAI or Copilot or Gemini?), the average use will pick something shiny and lose their savings when it transfers their bank balance outside the country.

Just because I bought an Apple product doesn't mean I made the choice to trust them globally across everything I do on my device, when did this become a binary that the hardware vendor must also be the only trusted software and service vendor? I like my MacBook because I trusted Apple to build great hardware, a pretty okay os, and services I don't give a shit about. I won't buy an iPhone because Apple has removed the ability to distinguish between those things on that platform.

Surely there's something better we can do than say "the average user is a dumbfuck better consolidate all control with Apple".

Re: Siri AI

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Post by zzrrt »

baby_souffle wrote: post #344
cromka wrote: post #323

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For me it's all the above and lack of multiple-item clipboard. It's incredible how much time it saves on a phone...

Did iOS ever get OCR based copy/paste? Pixels have had it for years but I think it's in every android phone now; from the app switcher you can press and hold and the system will OCR the text and allow you to copy it. Because so many things _still_ don't make that easy to do on mobile.

I don't think iOS has it from the app switcher, but pretty easy to take a screenshot and immediately select from it. (Or selecting from older screenshots or photos you open.)

Re: Siri AI

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Post by simondotau »

kemayo wrote: post #346
mikestorrent wrote: post #314

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Most people don't care that Siri doesn't do very much; if anything, people outside of HN are already sorta sick of AI features being shoved in their face.

Siri has always been pretty useful for the things I use it for: setting timers and reminders, and turning off my lights after I'm in bed.

Agree 100% ... but it would be nice to have some softer edges around those things, where I don't have to be so prescriptive and robotic in the way I make such requests. For example if I set a 15 minute timer, I'd like to be able to follow up five minutes later with "actually that 15 minute timer should have been 16 minutes" and not second guess whether it will do the correct thing.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by gumby271 »

Schiendelman wrote: post #382
sakesun wrote: post #282

Microsoft cannot compete in browser race and has to adopt Chromium. Apple cannot compete in AI and has to adopt Gemini Google is a really amazing company.

In both cases, Google built a commodity that doesn't necessarily generate revenue for them. I don't think they're doing very well in this case.

Not directly, but they control the most popular portal to the open Internet with chromium to shape ad delivery, and (depending on how dramatic you want to be) the shape of reality presented to their users based on their AI models. Not directly profitable, but damn that's a scary level of power.
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