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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by egypturnash »

analog8374 wrote: post #119
egypturnash wrote: post #68

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/3041770/Breakout_Beyond/

That's gorgeous, but the horizontality. Can you handle it? I don't think I can handle it

I spent a lot of time as a kid with Krakout on my c64, which was a horizontal Arkanoid. I could probably handle it. It looks like Atari's got another Breakout remake on Steam that's horizontal-aspect, too.

Personally I've been having fun with BallxPit though (https://store.steampowered.com/app/2062430/BALL_x_PIT/) which is basically what you get when you cross Arkanoid with Vampire Survivors, it gets hilariously chaotic once you have a bunch of upgraded and mutated super-balls to fling at the bricks with monsters sticking out of them. I don't really have an urge to play a more pure riff on Breakout.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by oreally »

timschmidt wrote: post #400
oreally wrote: post #337

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Many game devs develop on windows and for good reason in that most of their customer base are there, plus the stability of drivers there. Your assumption of what you've been taught in compsci circles with many resources at their disposal does not hold up in places in which fast iterations are required, and with little time to set up testing frameworks because as you said they're hard to test.

> Many game devs develop on windows I would say most game devs. That doesn't change a thing I've said. > plus the stability of drivers there Driver code for Nvidia, AMD, and Intel are all shared across Windows and Linux these days. Have been for years. AMD's even made a point of pulling improvements from the Linux drivers back into the Windows drivers. > Your assumption of what you've been taught in compsci circles w…

> Every game developer I know uses version control and most use CI.

Funny because I know game developers who don't use CI. And I've developed games too. It's not as universal as you claim it to be. It was never about arguing the effectiveness of CI.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by timschmidt »

oreally wrote: post #402
timschmidt wrote: post #400

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> Many game devs develop on windows I would say most game devs. That doesn't change a thing I've said. > plus the stability of drivers there Driver code for Nvidia, AMD, and Intel are all shared across Windows and Linux these days. Have been for years. AMD's even made a point of pulling improvements from the Linux drivers back into the Windows drivers. > Your assumption of what you've been taught in compsci circles w…

> Every game developer I know uses version control and most use CI. Funny because I know game developers who don't use CI. And I've developed games too. It's not as universal as you claim it to be. It was never about arguing the effectiveness of CI.

> I know game developers who don't use CI

I'm sure they're out there. A bit like publicly declaring you drive without wearing a seatbelt.

> It was never about arguing the effectiveness of CI.

The original point was that alt-tab'ing out of a game can result in unexpected behavior on any OS. Shared memory buffers in graphics APIs are the most likely culprit. And all graphics APIs on all OSes use them. I'm still not sure what exactly you're trying to argue about that.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by udev4096 »

tommica wrote: post #235
udev4096 wrote: post #224

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Immutable is very good for new linux users but I personally don't like the restriction and find rpmostree extremely slow to install literally anything. It does make sense to use immutable distros in routers, firewall, etc

I try not to use rpmostree to install anything (only steam-input, codecs and nvidia drivers), and rely on homebrew, appimages, flatpaks and toolbox for my app needs. It works so far... There is something about immutable linuxes that feels right, and I cannot pinpoint why exactly, but it's like things are segregated correctly.

I have disabled read-only mode and I use pacman like you would in a normal Arch system. Makes it a lot easier to install packages

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by smolder »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #223
thenthenthen wrote: post #200

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Cheating is a social problem, not a technical issue. Just give the community dedicated server possibility (remember how back in the days games used to ship with dedicated server binaries?) and the community can police for free! Wow!

Yes, because players want to spend time moderating other players instead of playing the game. Sounds fun! Community servers literally invented anti-cheat. All current big name anti-cheats started as anti-cheats for community servers. And admins would choose to use them. Game developers would see that and integrate it. Quake 3 Arena even added Punkbuster in a patch. Modern community servers like FiveM for GTAV, or Fac…

This is a misunderstanding of what community is, said by someone who doesn't know.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Borealid »

zanmat0 wrote: post #375
Borealid wrote: post #152

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Bazzite has a command, `ujust setup-boot-windows-steam`, which when run adds an entry to Steam-in-Bazzite that causes a Windows boot. It also has a command `ujust regenerate-grub` which adds a Windows entry to the bootloader. Each of these is a single command which only must be run one time after install. I suppose it could take a few hours to either do it by hand, or to discover one of these options, but they are bo…

I couldn't even manage to boot into any shell so not sure this would've helped me much...

You are saying that Bazzite failed to install itself?

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by lukan »

rounce wrote: post #258
lukan wrote: post #230

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Do you claim his quotes are not real?

The issue isn’t that the quotes aren’t real, rather that they’re very much misrepresented.

He literally did not put words in someones mouth, he used the exact quotes, his exact words.

About their interpretation (threat or not threat) we can argue.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by dangus »

EliteGadget wrote: post #342
dangus wrote: post #339

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It’s not horribly complicated. I have a single 3 line script capturing the current state of my homebrew, flatpak, and rpm-ostree state that runs before Pika Backup backs up my entire home directory. You have 5 bash scripts and various dotfiles. That sounds a lot more complicated. Bazzite is really not much different to any of the atomic fedora distributions. The only thing more complicated about immutable Linux is th…

The complexity is hidden. I don't require all the gumph. I just gave bash and a Debian install. Pretending the rube goldberg machine isn't one because you've hidden it behind a facia doesn't mean it isn't one. When all of that complexity doesn't work (which sooner or later it will), it will be more difficult to fix.

I’m confused, how is an immutable system more complex? How is it harder to fix? Can you be specific?

I don’t mean to say “my choice of distro is better than yours” because I know atomic Linux isn’t for everyone. But if we are talking about complexity specifically, this is an advantage to immutable distros.

Your Debian system never exactly matches any specific build that’s been tested and verified by your distro’s contributors.

Even worse when you run dist-upgrade. I think every Debian/Ubuntu user has been burned by that process at least once in their lives, some people avoid it entirely and clean install.

In Atomic Linux anything breaks there is a single command to revert back to the last system image. Rollback reboot and you’re done:

    rpm-ostree rollback
There’s also a tool included to list out and revert to any images from the last 90 days.

If I have some kind of issue I have an exact release that every other user has with the exact same set of system and included packages.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by data-ottawa »

rounce wrote: post #298
vga42 wrote: post #272

At this point, I have almost 30 years of daily driving Linux desktop experience, and several decades of professional Linux experience. I have tried and kind of liked NixOS and although I prefer the simplicity of Arch Linux, I see how it would be useful in a professional scenario with lots of servers to upkeep. But Fedora Atomic confuses the hell out of me. To recommend it to potential Linux newbies and as the great n…

Yep, I run NixOS on everything but no way in hell am I recommending it to complete newbies to Linux who also have no programming experience. I help run a small Linux gaming community and at least once a day on the Discord (yes it’s a problematic service but that’s another rant) there is someone trying to install a mod or set up some piece of sim hardware, having recently switched from Windows, and being confused by F…

I'm newish to Linux, so take my opinions with a grain of salt and having a lot of unknown unknowns.

I think the update/os upgrade situation is better, security is better, and frankly my least favorite thing with Linux is going in and making sure the system state is healthy.

When I started using Linux this summer I had to wipe my system twice because I put it in broken states or couldn't figure out how to undo some change. I went through all sorts of issues like managing grub and gnome not working with my studio display or thunderbolt peripherals. Almost all of the fixes required editing arcane files then calling commands which fed them into some subsystem I had no idea about. All that blind faith online sourced stuff felt like a security nightmare too.

Since migrating to atomic fedora and then this weekend Bazzite, that has not happened once. There was initial friction with dev tool setup and toolbox, but things have been completely on the rails since then.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by Ferret7446 »

foxheadman wrote: post #29
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

Bazzite is a part of the Universal Blue family, which is more of a repackaging of Fedora Atomic. I'm a fan of my Steam Deck and SteamOS, but I'd like that experience to eventually be available via community supported distros, which Valve/Igalia can rebase from, and instead focus on Proton. Bazzite is the closest to that that we have so far.

SteamOS is Arch based, and can be replicated on Arch by installing Steam if you don't care for the "game console" UI trimmings. Based on another comment thread about past stupid proposals on Fedora, Arch seems like a much more reliable base than Fedora.
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