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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by FilosofumRex »

As a general rule if your only source of information about contemporary China ( or Ukraine/Palestine wars) is from English language press and analysts, you should consider yourself disinformed or possibly misinformed.

There is no substitute for foreign language press, at a minimum add Le Monde Diplomatique, or Der Spiegel to your digest if not Al Jazeera, RT and Xinhua.

At first they'll seem propagandist with stilted English writing but you'll learn so much more about what's actually going on in the world and why countries do what they do.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by sepositus »

gildas wrote: post #202
jakeogh wrote: post #194

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No worries though, Germany is raiding peoples houses for offending people online. Please spare me the "only for Holocaust deniers" thing.

I'm sorry but it's normal. You don't have the right to offend people online or not.

What's normal? You just offended a whole group of people and probably had no intention of doing it. You're proving the point on why the whole thing doesn't work. You should get your comment removed if you seriously believe this to be true and want to avoid being hypocritical.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by selimthegrim »

scrollaway wrote: post #139
selimthegrim wrote: post #131

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I would have loved to come work for imec but the only immediate internship budget they had was a studentship with accompanying stipend and visa. They told me it would have taken too long to sort out the employee route.

Check out the companies they fund, instead. Those will have an easier time hiring you. And then there are paths to working directly with Imec.

Thanks for the advice - maybe I will have more questions in near future about this

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by makeitdouble »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #369
makeitdouble wrote: post #42

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I looked at France and Germany, there was a clear downward trend for a long time, yet it bumped before the pandemic, got super low for the 2-3 years of it, and is steadily rising again. Comparatively they are still incredibly safe countries, and the sentiment of insecurity has always been disproportionate to reality and politically exploited. But people feeling the social climate deteriorating is also spot on, the ec…

> Comparatively they are still incredibly safe countries, and the sentiment of insecurity has always been disproportionate to reality and politically exploited. In 2005 France's domestic intelligence network, the Renseignements Generaux, identified 150 "no-go zones" around the country where police would not enter without reinforcements. I am guessing, the sentiment of insecurity must be pretty strong in these areas i…

Yes...but I'd argue these zones always existed [0] and aren't going to disappear anytime soon. That's where looking at how much the insecurity perception goes up or down can be more relevant that how many of these exist in total.

Slightly off-topic, but there are areas where cops are more in danger than the general public (visceral ACAB sentiment), and people from the higher spheres of society also won't set a foot there. These places will fit both profiles of "no-law" zone and being extremely peaceful and easy to live in.

[0] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89meutes_dans_les_banlieue...

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by the_af »

chrischen wrote: post #252
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #123

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> Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. What data do you have for this conclusion?

Apart from public bathrooms being much dirtier on average, they’ve modernized quite a bit. So, you can take me as 1st hand anecdotal evidence.

Public bathrooms can be disgusting in many first world countries.

I wonder if the true mark of civilization will eventually be clean public bathrooms. It cannot be that hard because some select countries have managed to do it. Too few though.

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Post by the_af »

wordofx wrote: post #332
throwawayq3423 wrote: post #278

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I did. When I went to China and left the major cities all I saw was rows of high rises next to train stations with nothing around them. Funny, that's never on YouTube.

I did. When I lived in China and traveled outside of Shanghai it was eye opening. People living in slums with no running water or toilets. No trains. No buses. No taxis. The nicest people ever but makes you realise that the whole eliminating poverty claim is utter BS.

They were talking about people with good paying jobs living in big cities, not China in general. There are people living in extreme poverty in first world countries, and rural areas are always different to big cities.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by the_af »

tw1984 wrote: post #316
tokioyoyo wrote: post #306

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I’m not sure there’s any point in arguing, because everyone’s priorities are subjective. Public safety, convenience, unlimited amount of options for basically anything are stuff that people pay premiums for. I still consider Tokyo superior to T1 Chinese cities, but Shanghai is really not that far behind.

> Public safety, convenience, unlimited amount of options for basically anything are stuff that people pay premiums for. by paying 100 years of local average salary for a modest apartment in a not that desirable location? that is not "pay premiums", that is modem slavery. stop spreading your misinformation, life in China is like the Nightmare mode of DOOM2.

> stop spreading your misinformation, life in China is like the Nightmare mode of DOOM2.

You're deluded. Hyperbole doesn't help either. When you resort to lying or exaggeration, it shows China must be starting to get even, if not ahead in the race.

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Post by rcpt »

remarkEon wrote: post #353
rcpt wrote: post #173

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I don't think we'll see born-in-the-USA Americans moving to Shenzhen anytime soon. But a huge fraction of our workforce is immigrants who have given up their homeland and distanced themselves from their families and communities in search of opportunities here. The fact that we're driving them away now does not bode well for our future economy.

If the immigrants that we've allowed to come here are so fickle that they would leave for China if China presents better opportunities, I would prefer that they leave now and get it over with. My country is not an economic zone for extracting value. It's my home.

> extracting value

Did you mean creating wealth?

I'm not talking about land speculation. I'm talking about creating businesses and jobs for everyone. I'm talking about hard labor that's necessary for our society to run. We're not better off picking crops while China's tech economy becomes #1.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by lmz »

somelamer567 wrote: post #224
Fricken wrote: post #216

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The US stole it's IP as well when it was behind. Sam Slater was known as "The Founder of the American Factory System" in the US. In the UK he was known as "Slater the Traitor", because he stole some very important IP. Adam Smith wasn't a big fan of IP either. He was all about owning the means of production. China was taking notes. The dog ate America's homework.

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It stinks of hypocrisy and "pulling the ladder up". See also: per capita carbon emissions, exterminating the natives.
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