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Is there an ELI5 that explains all of this from a-z? As an outsider I can't help but think people are being hyperbolic about it.

My attempt at a neutral view:

- housing costs have skyrocketed and econmic growth has been lackluster

-- more importantly liberals have failed to articulate a convincing plan on this

- conservatives have been wildly succesful in the polls,causing the liberal party to fragment internally, which just further makes them look like they dont know what they are doing.

- trudeau has been in power a long time, people want change

- across the globe incumbants are having problems.

In terms of the grandparent, i don't really think there is much damage. I guess there is a high budget deficit. Not sure what that poster is referring to.

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As a close watcher of Canadian politics, here's the best summary I can offer for those not familiar:

Overal Picture

Canada has seen gdp-per-capita decline for nearly every quarter over the past 3 years. Large stimulus spending during the pandemic fueled the housing crisis and added massive inflation. Stimulating the economy through similarly massive increases in Non-Permanent Residents has kept GDP afloat, but come at the cost of over-burdening public institutions and housing. Contiuing either policy is not possible and deeply unpopular. Canadians now pay more taxes than any US state, have housing more expensive than New York, but with productivity below that of the poorest state and our dollar running a major discount. This while our public instutions are struggling to meet demand.

1. Recurring themes in Canadian Politics

2. Recent history of the federal liberals

3. Current issues facing the government

Recurring Themes in Canadian Politics

- Unlike the U.S. where there are multiple strong centers of politics and commerce (East Cost, West Coast, Texas), Canada political power is centered largely along the St. Lawrence River where most of the country's population lives.

- Trends arising from this include: Quebec receiving, relative to its population, outsized benefits and influence in exchange for remaining part of the country and as result of French speaking requirements for the federal government. Quebec has nearly exited the country several times

- Canada is still largely a resource-based economy and possess an impressive amount of natural resources: oil, natural gas, largest uranium reserves in the world, more freshwater than all other countries combined, etc.

- The concentration of power in the East while most resource development happening in the West, creates a quasi-colonial between the Ontario/Quebec and the younger and resource heavy provinces, particularly the Prairies.

- Economically, Canada priviledges large incumbent businesses and most of its sectors are oligopolies. The reasoning for doing so historically has been to fend of larger, well funded US competitors.

Recent History of the federal liberals

- Liberals have historically have been centrist party, taking popular ideas from both socialist NDP (who have yet to win a federal election) and the federal Conservative party (itself a coaltion of social and fiscal conservatives created by Harper in the 90s).

- 2015 Justin Trudeau came in as the most popular Prime Minister in history with a majority government. Major legislation included legalizing weed and improvements to Child Benefits. The majority was lost in 2019 with Conservatives gaining the popular vote.

Overall Picture - In Detail

- Economic Issue #1: Lagging economy. Canada is still largely a resource based economy (see above) and business investment in that sector, and Canada overall, declined drastically starting in 2015, arguably due to increasing opportunities for resource development in the U.S. and the Canadian Federal Government stance towards non-reweables. Business investment is more a leading indicator, but still a major economic issue for Canada.

- Economic Issue #2: Increased cost of housing. Canadian housing costs in major cities has reached crisis levels even leading up to the pandemic. Our major cities like Toronto and Vancouver are some of the most unaffordable in the world. Most people who have been in Canada have seen housing in their cities go from achieveable-if-expensive (in major regions) to impossibly unaffordable. Most major cities now require 30+ of saving (at the average income) for a downpayment with a salary in the top 1% to purchase a home.

- Economic issue #3: Large inflation, combined with increased costs from consolidated markets with little competition. Not unlike other countries post-pandemic, but reports show major costs of living such as groceries have seen above-inflation levels of price increases due to industry consolidation. I.E. Many parts of Canada have one 2 major suppliers of grociers

- Immigration Issue #1: Non-permanent Residents. Canada has 2 classes of immigrants (aside from Refugees, whih make up a small number): Permanent Residents (PR's) and Non-permanent residents (NPR's). Our PR system is what is widely hailed as one of the best in the world and a point of Canadian pride. The NPR system has been substantially expanded under the Trudeau government and arguably exploited with millions of NPR's entering as temporary workers and university students. NPR's now consist of over 7% of the population (larger than then Indigenous population).

- Social Cohesion: most of Canada's public services (healthcare, teaching, even postal services, etc) have seen substantial degradation and a struggle to meet capacity.

- Lastly, it should be noted that Canada has tax system well above any US state. Historically, most Canadians have not have a problem with this because of the relative strength of our public institutions.

Current Issues facing the Goverment

- If the federal liberals have an election, they will lost most of their seats. They may even lose party status. They will likely avoid this at all costs.

- The federal NDP are not projected to lose seats, but will lose influence they gain by upholding the minority government. They gain little from a federal election.

- Given an early election is not likely and Trudeau is facing revolts internally (his key finance minister and deputy PM resigned publicly in the past few weeks), the choice is to stop parliment while they look for a new PM (trudeau may act as the interim). If they choose an existing MP for PM (maybe Freeland) they risk being associated with a deeply unpopular party. If they chose an outsider (like Mark Carney), they risk just as much backlash for an unelected PM.

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What does "law" mean to you? Do the "Emergency acts" not count as law in your opinion?

It counts as farce. The law literally as passed states that the law itself is not capable of dealing with the situation, so it is law to deal with the situation. It's a clear sign that your government is failing its responsibilities. The US has done it too. Your government is with a straight face telling you that it doesn't legitimately have enough control over you so it needs to create extra-legal means of having co…

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Is there an ELI5 that explains all of this from a-z? As an outsider I can't help but think people are being hyperbolic about it.

Mostly partisan propaganda. The "Canada is broken" slogan is by no means organic; it is a carefully executed propaganda piece. The conservative leader is very good with punch lines and communication in general (and is maybe a bit too proud of it - e.g. he has a "Justinflation" plaque in his office; a term that he coined). There are problems and people want them fixed. That is always the case. In a short couple of yea…

I feel like its sentiment like this why the liberal party is heading for a historic collapse.

"Everything is fine, just cancel disney+"

Like young people are struggling... really badly and it seems like the government has done everything they can to make it worse.

Most people I've met really don't Like Pierre Pollieve (myself included) but to say the current governments ineptness is propaganda is actually insane.

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I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

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What makes you think that? They don’t seem very similar to me aside from sharing the broad label of ‘conservative’.

And love of simplistic slogans. Whether there's more substance to Pierre Poilievre than to Donald Trump remains to be seen.

Simplistic slogans win popular elections. So, prudent strategy at least.

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> flip the sides, i.e. you've a conservative government and a liberal protesting organization, and I'll wait to see your reaction. You mean like what the pro-Palestinian folks did at UofT (not far from where I work) in 2024 and who lost a court case (2024 ONSC 3755)? I was fine it. Was also fine with the 'Occupy Toronto' folks losing their court case: 2011 ONSC 6862. And as it stands, I live in Toronto, Canada, which…

What do either of the given examples given have to do with the Emergencies Act of freezing someone out of banking? Being kicked off university property is not the same thing as having your financial life frozen by the feds.

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Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Can you name a similarly wealthy country that is actually better today than it was on the date he started as a PM? I can't. Seems like something else has been going on. Potentially you could name Ireland, by becoming a tax haven, screwing over everyone else instead.

Since 2015? Easy: Norway, Poland, Greece, Netherlands, Ireland, Singapore, USA probably.

But I do anecdotally agree with your point as a whole: it feels like there has been a slowing or potentially reversal of progress. Perhaps to be expected given the pandemic though.

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What’s dreadful is the rising cost of living and lack of affordable housing, which he failed to address. Moreover he doubled immigration during a time when the average Canadian was struggling to keep up with rising expenses. I’m pro-immigration but not at an unsustainable rate. Housing construction was not keeping up. Trudeau pushed beyond the limits of pro-immigration policy. If it was just conservative propaganda,…

Asking as a non-Canadian: What do you think he could have done that would fix these issues? If there is a clear path, why is it not politically attractive?

The issues were self created by skyrocketing the immigration rates / TFWs.

All they had to do was .... nothing, just keep the system as it was.

With that it seems like there has been a lot of heavy lobbying by companies built on low wage employment to deflate wages across the country. And it worked!

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Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years. And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you? Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the mom…

"In 1971, official date of the birth of topos theory, unfortunately the dream team at Dalhousie was dispersed. What happened, that made you go to Denmark ? Some members of the team, including myself, became active against the Vietnam war and later against the War Measures Act proclaimed by Trudeau. That Act,similar in many ways to the Patriot Act 35 years later in the US, suspended civil liberties under the pretext o…

Amazingly there is someone living very close to the airport where they found the body of the Deputy Premier of Quebec (Pierre Laporte) in 1970 that flies the flags of allegiance to the successors of the terrorists (i.e. the MNLQ following from the FLQ) from a pole in his yard for everyone on the highway to see.

For some people all this stuff is very much part of their reason for being, but the FLQ took being obnoxious to make a point to staggering new levels. Just the titles of their books alone are astonishing, and impossible to quote here without causing justified offence.

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