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Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by gnicholas »

Guvante wrote: post #380
gnicholas wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I acknowledge that is a possibility, but it would also lead to them having permission to display literally the entirety of my videonconf calls to anyone, for advertising purposes or some other purpose that only incidentally benefits me. That would be a strained reading IMO.

Additionally courts consider the fact that users have little if any say in the terms and thus tend to take the most restrictive but still reasonable view of any uncertainty in the terms. Basically "if you wanted it you could have asked for it, if you didn't then that is a problem".

Yep, contracts of adhesion, and construing against the drafter: both favor the user here.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by johndhi »

danShumway wrote: post #397

Tangentially related, but a number of telehealth operations with hospitals/therapists/etc... use Zoom -- I suspect because their clients can connect without an app or an account over a browser. When you join a Zoom session over the browser, you don't sign a TOS. And I assume that actual licensed medical establishments are under their own TOS provisions that are compatible with HIPPA requirements. Training on voice-to…

Looks like they have a separate offering, Zoom for Healthcare that presumably has different terms and conditions.

https://blog.zoom.us/answering-questions-about-zoom-healthca...

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Post by brightlancer »

max51 wrote: post #390
barbazoo wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point though why not just collect questions beforehand, record the whole thing and let people watch it on their own time. At that scale there'll be no interactivity during the meeting anyway.

Because that's how you end up with projects that take 3 years to plan instead of 3 months. A live Q&A where all of the experts who can answer questions and everyone interested in the subject who may have questions are in the same room (live or virtual) is a lot more productive compared to what you are suggesting. If something they said in the main presentation was missing important details that you need to do you wor…

Having 500+ people on a project is how something takes 3 years to plan.

"At that scale there'll be no interactivity during the meeting anyway."

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by johndhi »

gnicholas wrote: post #302
jonas21 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Section 4 of the Jitsi Meet ToS grants them similar rights. It's just with mushier language. > You give 8×8 (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works..., communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display, and distribute such content solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other…

> solely for the limited purpose of operating and enabling the Service to work as intended for You and for no other purposes. To me (a former corporate lawyer) the "for You" qualifier would limit their ability to use content to train an AI for use by anyone other than "You". Is there an argument? Yes. But by that argument, they would also be allowed to "publicly perform" my videoconf calls for some flimsy reasons tha…

I write these policies for my day job and I agree with this.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by janejeon »

enjeyw wrote: post #400

I’m not an expert here but it seems to me that this should force every single healthcare org in the US off Zoom, since having patient health data leaked in this way violates HIPPA?

Unless you specifically enable E2E in meetings (which is NOT the default), it does seem like it?

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Post by IsTom »

johndhi wrote: post #405

Curious for users here: why does using your content to train AI bother you? How is it any more scary than using it to advertise to you for example.

All and any personal information that is used for training might get reproduced later. I am not excited about somebody else asking AI personal questions about me.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by AlecSchueler »

s5ma6n wrote: post #398
zakember wrote: post #345

This is not new. These terms were quietly updated on 1st April 2023. Looks like very few people noticed it until now. https://web.archive.org/web/20230401045359/https://explore.z...

I am really puzzled how are they able to "quietly" update the terms without notifying their users? Everybody was joking about the emails (We have updated our terms...) raining from every company when GDPR et al. got introduced. What changed?

I thought those emails were a form of protest, like complying in the most annoying way possible just to make a point.

Re: Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no opt out

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Post by esperent »

s5ma6n wrote: post #398
zakember wrote: post #345

This is not new. These terms were quietly updated on 1st April 2023. Looks like very few people noticed it until now. https://web.archive.org/web/20230401045359/https://explore.z...

I am really puzzled how are they able to "quietly" update the terms without notifying their users? Everybody was joking about the emails (We have updated our terms...) raining from every company when GDPR et al. got introduced. What changed?

Possibly they've done something illegal here. Let's wait and see (or, if you're in the EU, take action and report it to your data protection authority and NOYB).
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