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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 1980phipsi »

xaerise wrote: post #209
nickjj wrote: post #171

Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…

It is marked as read when you are reading it. When you are switching to another mail, it displays it as read. No need to manually mark it as read. *EDIT* Just noticed that there is a setting for this: Under Options in the webmail you can switch this between: * Mark as read as soon it has been choosen * Mark as read after delay in seconds * Mark as read after selection changes * Do not mark as read automatically

One big annoying thing is that when you mark an email as unread in Outlook on mobile, the default is to mark the entire email chain as unread. So if you have a long email chain, all of sudden there will be like 20-30 unread messages in your inbox. It should have the ability to mark unread from here or something like that.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

username3 wrote: post #117

Is everyone misreading the article? The new policy is to ignore your default browser from Outlook and Teams and open Edge. There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser. > Microsoft 365 Enterprise IT admins will be able to alter the policy, but those on Microsoft 365 for business will have to manage this change on individual machines.

> There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser.

First time playing this game? Here's how it works:

1) Change the default behavior, but have the old behavior be an option

2) ~Everybody switches to the new behavior

3) Telemetry says ~nobody uses the old behavior, so remove the option in order to "streamline the experience"

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tanseydavid »

tralarpa wrote: post #314
capableweb wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors and users, because two people can play this game. I don't get Microsoft, have they no pride or desire to become a great company? Have they just become content to be an old corporate software house who only manages to keep users through dark patterns and anti-competitive behaviour because they have given up on making products which people e…

> They been doing this since the very creation of their own browser. Before that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code

To me, this is the proof that the dark patterns are a result of corporate culture that stretches all the way back to the DOS days.

They simply cannot resist the urge to cheat in this manner.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by user3939382 »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #399
nabilhat wrote: post #386

Windows is not unhackable. This one's easy. Deleting all instances of the msedge executable does not break Windows. Don't depend on settings, they're not reliable or comprehensive, and it's far more work to track them all down and maintain their value than it is to simply delete the problem. Some "features" will stop working. The article's example is one of many. Windows will now use your chosen applications if it ca…

Now do this, but at scale. I cannot fathom the number of support requests coming in as soon as some features stop working, in a fleet of hundreds . Dealing with thousands is a great recipe for disaster.

This is precisely what login scripts and GPO is designed for. Most people don't realize Windows is actually primarily designed as a corporate OS, home users are an afterthought. BYOD is a different story, but there are scenarios with thousands of desktops (i.e. VDI) where these kinds of changes are trivial.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by bluGill »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #288
bluGill wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is a non-standard product to me who has used various chat programs over the years. It does some things okay, but I still want to go back to lync (skype for business). The features I use are worse than competition, and there are features I don't use that are annoying.

> features I use are worse than competition, and there are features I don't use that are annoying I hate Teams. I hate Meet. But they work with basically zero training. You have to pick your battles, and successful businesses choose theirs in core competencies.

There are lots of other chat programs that work with zero training as well. All that is really needed is auto-start and auto-login when the user logs into the OS. If your chat program has those two: someone will figure out how to use it and everyone else will see the pop-up when a message is sent and start using it. Slowly everyone will learn features as they need them.

There are many options that have those two.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by seydor »

petesergeant wrote: post #89
seydor wrote: post #12

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They don't because they can't. People use ms programs for their daily work , phones are secondary. And how is ms degrading googls products? They don't even have a mandatory app store in windows. When comparing them all, ms has been the most open one

> They don't because they can't. People use ms programs for their daily work, phones are secondary. I suspect many, many more people globally (and in the US) use a smartphone than use a desktop with MS products on it daily.

Work puts food on the table though, Instagram does not

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by [deleted] »

jsiepkes wrote: post #384
DownGoat wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he means the newer versions of the stack, from the release of .NET Core 1 in 2016 and onward.

Ok, but even if it's about .NET Core; As far as I can tell the creation of .NET Core was a business decision and not because MS suddenly wanted to create a better product. More then 50% of the VM's in Azure run Linux and not Windows. On AWS and GCP the percentage VM's running non-Windows OS'es is probably even higher. That's a realistic threat to the continued existence of .NET if .NET only runs on Windows.

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by porker »

hirako2000 wrote: post #389
mikewarot wrote: post #304

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>They did a wonderful job with C# and .NET Core. This is a joke, right? We never, ever, needed anything other than the Win32 GUI at the core of windows, and it still works to this day. You can write Windows programs without the new stuff, in Lazarus, for example. C# and .NET were a huge step backwards. VB6 was something easy enough for domain experts to get working, without having to hire a programmer. Delphi for Win…

How so? Because they sort of open source the tech and made it possible to build for other platforms? C# is a great language taking over the advances of Java and C/++ making things a bit better, but intentions didn't make it any better: owning the devs. VScode? A rebuild of Atom, "free" with un-disable-able telemetry with the same intention: owning the devs Buy out of github, owning the devs Rebuild of ms office for t…

> Rebuild of ms office for the web: owning users given gsuite was seriously taking over office use

And Google let them win by coasting on GSuite. I use it for my business, my partner uses Office 365 for hers. In 2023 Office 365 is by far the better choice.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by manuelabeledo »

user3939382 wrote: post #404
manuelabeledo wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now do this, but at scale. I cannot fathom the number of support requests coming in as soon as some features stop working, in a fleet of hundreds . Dealing with thousands is a great recipe for disaster.

This is precisely what login scripts and GPO is designed for. Most people don't realize Windows is actually primarily designed as a corporate OS, home users are an afterthought. BYOD is a different story, but there are scenarios with thousands of desktops (i.e. VDI) where these kinds of changes are trivial.

None of this prevents users from complaining about broken features.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by Kwpolska »

nickjj wrote: post #171

Interesting timing. 2 days ago a place I'm at switched us from Google mail + calendar + meet to Microsoft outlook + calendar + teams. I almost can't believe at how good Google's suite of tools are compared to Microsoft. I never used any of MS' office tools until a few days ago. Outlook's web app doesn't even let you click into an email to mark it as read. You have to explicitly click the mark as read button. It also…

> not being able to see the calendar details of team mates when inviting them to an event. All you see is a blocked out amount of time, you can't see their exact schedules even if they shared their calendar with you. This removes a huge human element to scheduling meetings because often times I'll avoid scheduling meetings when folks are just getting out of a long meeting, or I'll buffer it by 15-30 minutes depending on who is doing what beforehand.

This is configurable, you can make your calendars public and convince your teammates (and potentially the rest of the company) to do so as well.

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