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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by wslh »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Microsoft has been playing the vendor lock-in game for his entire life and they were and are very successful. It is an interesting exercise to think if this time is different. Again, Microsoft always compete with better technologies from other vendors.

One aggresive move that Google or Apple could do is to really help companies in the migration to their technology beyond saying RTFM and use our support. For example, augmenting these locked companies with Google staff. You cannot expect a big corporation to move all the gears alone to change their technology.

It is not the technology, it is the business execution.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by seydor »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

They don't because they can't. People use ms programs for their daily work , phones are secondary.

And how is ms degrading googls products? They don't even have a mandatory app store in windows.

When comparing them all, ms has been the most open one

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by mcenedella »

It’s sad and foolish. Strong-arming users into a product is a 1990s playbook, wholly out of step with modern end user expectations.

Playing rough in the sandbox hurts all their products. See what’s happened to Bing since they won’t let you use it in Safari or Chrome.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

sporkle-feet wrote: post #7

Isn't this just the same as what Apple does? Why is there outrage about one but not the other? (genuine question)

The only instance of Apple doing that I’m aware of is the “Search for (term)” in the terminal’s right click menu always defaulting to Safari. In every other instance, they’ve respected the defaults.

Microsoft on the other hands seems to have no boundaries, going as far as injecting ads on Chrome’s homepage[1] promoting their browser.

[1] https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-now-injecting-full-...

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by bearmode »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Anti-competitive behaviour runs deep in Microsoft. They've been doing it since their early days.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by wheybags »

josefresco wrote: post #13

I don't get the anger, at this point Edge is interchangeable with Chrome. The only thing I "miss" are my saved password and extensions which can be easily imported. Complaining online is an international pastime though.

It's not about the quality of the browser. The user has a setting to choose which browser to use, and they are disregarding it for their own convenience. It's anti-consumer and anti-competitive.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by modo_mario »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

>Have they just become

Were they ever different tho? I know a lot of people believed the 'MS loves open source' and similar stuff but it always felt like bait to me. They still tried to force trough their shitty open document format, still regularly pull layers of small anticompetitive stuff. Small changes that aren't outrageous enough on their own to cause a reaction or throw out the trust they try to create but enough for me to be consistently reminded that generally their incentives and goals run counter to what I'd prefer.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by Findecanor »

rmm wrote: post #8

What’s crazy is that edge is actually a really good browser. Some of the features they have wacked on top of chromium are awesome. Especially when deploying it for a small business. It allows for easy integration with azure, profile syncing etc.

Sure, but for individual users business features things don't matter, it is users that need choice.

Myself, I just want a browser that doesn't close multiple tabs when I want to close just one when tapping on a touch screen. That is one thing with Edge that irritates me to high hell, and a reason for me to switch.

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