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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by einarfd »

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

> A lot of my IT friends have fled the country, almost everyone who could. My heart is bleeding thinking of friends who wanted to leave on March 9, not sure what they can do now.

Depending on where in Russian they live. They could flee in their car. Finland seem to be popular (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60624500). The Baltics, Norway and possibly Sweden on a ferry or boat could also be options.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by ip26 »

atlantas wrote: post #374
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

> The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. This is precisely what leads to atrocities like Japanese internment camps. We are repeating dark history in real time and it's being actively cheered on by a bloodthirsty mob who have no regard for innocent civilians and kids.

There is actually a difference here; the parent comment is a Russian refugee. The Japanese internment camps housed mostly Japanese Americans who already lived in the United States before the war and were predominantly US citizens.

Refugees are human & need help, but it isn't quite the same.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by veganhouseDJ »

risyachka wrote: post #337
bsedlm wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

Have you seen any major rebellions in Russia in the last decade? No. Here is a kicker - there were few coups even in North Korea. So russians are fine with regime. And even though actions speak louder than words, most people even didn't SPEAK against it until few days ago. So unless you openly spoke against putin and regime for years, you were part of the problem. Also, in Ukraine people go against armed forces with…

All easy to say as you post this from the comfort of your home.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by philovivero »

yetihehe wrote: post #208
akomtu wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It didn't work with North Korea, it won't work with Russia. Populace there is unarmed, disorganised and divided, while the Putin's gang is very organised and not shy of using violence against dissenters. When NATO says "we're trying to push russian joes to fix their government", they really mean "we're afraid to confront your bully, he's just too strong and cruel for us."

> Populace there is unarmed So, we should give them weapons? > disorganised and divided You think that overthrowing their government would work? Maybe with some "special military operation" perhaps? > "we're afraid to confront your bully, he's just too strong and cruel for us." Or maybe - we have a rule where we don't try to assasinate leaders unless strictly necessary. And before you say about Iraq and nin Laden - t…

> we have a rule where we don't try to assasinate leaders unless strictly necessary

And yet, here we are. Maybe this is the rule that needs to change. How many of these wars will we see in the coming decades if we simply start assassinating the leaders of aggressive countries?

I understand there are often power vacuums and things can be worse afterward, but maybe a good, 20-year run of assassinating aggressive world leaders would lead us to a better place.

Why is it always the average Joe that has to pay his life for the leaders?

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by danielodievich »

andrey123 wrote: post #316
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

[Disclaimer: Russian] According to my estimations, probably at least 95% of people who are "against the war" do not go out to participate in protests. My estimations are based on talking to my colleagues (large IT company). Yes, starting from now, protesting becomes more risky (you may go to jail for years if you get caught second time). But just a week ago, it was mostly harmless (yes, some people get arrested for f…

I've been in touch with my family in and around Moscow. Older generation is militantly pro-Putin, as a direct result of listening to the what the TV spews. My generation is ignoring it all and is keeping their heads down because it is too dangerous to express anything. My uncle who had a green card and had an opportunity to settle here in USA couple of decades ago but chose not to is being very philosophical, and says he's at least happy to have pre-paid for Egypt resort in the fall before the money became completely inflated away. I am unconvinced that he's going to be able to enjoy it and wish he has made a different choice on the green card.

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Post by djhn »

belter wrote: post #363
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Are the Russians of the older generation, that get their news from most of the official news, buying into the government story? Or do you think everybody already realized what is really happening in Ukraine?

The boomers are unfortunately lost to propaganda.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

einarfd wrote: post #401
therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

> A lot of my IT friends have fled the country, almost everyone who could. My heart is bleeding thinking of friends who wanted to leave on March 9, not sure what they can do now. Depending on where in Russian they live. They could flee in their car. Finland seem to be popular ( https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60624500 ). The Baltics, Norway and possibly Sweden on a ferry or boat could also be options.

Land borders are closed and require special permission.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by therusskiy »

dunkelheit wrote: post #287
therusskiy wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry the news are in Russian: https://yandex.ru/news/story/Rosaviaciya_rekomendovala_perev... As for the "interview", thankfully no, but FSB does stop a lot of people to inspect their phones and question them, which can take 40 minutes. I had to clean my social networks and direct messages of any posts against the war and the government.

AFAIU this applies only to Russian airlines because their leased planes can be confiscated abroad. But e.g. Turkish airlines can still fly.

you are right, there are still a handful of companies that fly to Russia. For now. But it's going to be close to impossible to buy tickets for them soon due to 90+% of other flights being cancelled and the high demand.

Also, the situation changes literally every hour, these companies may be next. Putin realises that people with money and education are trying to run away and actively fights it.

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Post by tsol »

adventured wrote: post #320
axg11 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see both sides to this. Yes, Russians should protest against the horrible actions of their government. On the other hand, if you’re an average Russian with few/no international ties, would you really risk protesting against a government with a demonstrated track record of murdering dissidents and imprisoning protestors? NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions…

> NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions of ~several hundred people. That's the single biggest falsehood of this whole thing propaganda wise: that the Russian people aren't responsible for what's going on. The Russian people are responsbile for their culture, which keeps producing and promoting authoritarianism, decade after decade, generation after generation…

And western people are responsible for a culture that colonizes half the world. Why do you always escape punishment?

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

ModernMech wrote: post #349
filomeno wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, it's good to know that. Maybe Russia could get away with the invasion without sanctions just letting his people protest against the war. No matter if the outcome of the war is the same, or if Putin is elected again (as happened with George W. Bush in the US).

Putin tried to run the GWB playbook with his invasion but he got impatient. He didn't have a 9/11 handed to him like GWB did. Putin's excuse is too flimsy about a Nazi genocide against Russians. There wouldn't be any sanctions whatsoever against Putin if he had planes flying into a building in Moscow.

Putin is playing the kosovo card.

An area with a minority, self declared independence, minority and majority fighting every now and then, and then the "outside player" deciding to attack the whole country to "protect the minority".

For us in the balkans, america has always been a bigger threat to peace (and still is), especially after having plane fly above our roofs to bomb a country 200miles away, and not that long ago, we were still a same country.

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