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In related corporate censorship, the Top Gun remake altered the physical leather jacket worn by Tom Cruise to remove the flags of Taiwan and Japan. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/top-gun-...

Lol why Japan

Basically everyone else in Asia hates their guts due to their conduct in WWII.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #338

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Ok, I've removed it. Now people will accuse us of rewriting history, but that's ok - one eventually makes peace with the fact that there's no way to win.

danged if you do, danged if you don't

The truth is that the pig partly likes it.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #105

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Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. You have no idea the sort of pressure that users with minority perspectives because of their national/ethnic backgrounds are under on this majority-Western forum. People have literally been hounded off this site after getting attacked for this. Is that the kind of community you, or any of us, want to be part of? Of course it is not. Therefore, don't include swipes lik…

Two demonstrably true observations: - China actively works to remove mentions about the Tiananmen Square Massacre. - There are CCP sympathetic posters on HN. I've had them reply to me before. They have identified themselves Chinese. Combining these two into the statement, "There are posters sympathetic to the CCP stance of censoring the Tiananmen Square Massacre who are flagging these posts," does require some inform…

I just want to provide you with another data point. I may well be in the minority, but nevertheless I am a bonafide contributor and enjoyer of HN. I should also point out that I did not and would likely not flag posts about the Tienanmen Square Massacre. However, there is a sense in which I could be construed as being "sympathetic" to the CCP and I'm 100% British. I am not sympathetic in the sense that I support the murder and cover up of protesting students, rather I am unsympathetic to the idea that the CCP is motivated by a cartoonish idea of despotism. Whilst I do believe that the most significant component in the censorship of Tank Man is formal CCP policy, I don't believe that extends to the wider conversation. My feeling is that the majority of non-Chinese commentators are disproportionally informed on Chinese history compared to Western history. For example the Opium Wars, or why Hong Kong was a British colony, or the effect the Century of Humiliation had/has on the Chinese collective consciousness. Again, to make sure I'm clear, there is no possible justification for state-sanctioned murder. However my "sympathy" is that we are failing as intelligent and caring fellow human beings if we cannot imagine the CCP as anything other than a Hollywood-esque super villain. So whilst I know I push against these stereotypes, and I suspect so too do Chinese nationals, that doesn't mean I also push against attempts to censor The Tienanmen Square Massacre.

So I'm not trying to disprove your point that censoring is actively occurring, I just want to try to add some nuance to the situation, that there are other currents at play here. And that when sweeping sentiments are expressed and reinforced about China there's a danger those other currents get drowned out and even misconstrued. So if I'm interpreting @dang's intentions correctly, I very much support his attempts to navigate this almost impossible situation with fairness yet firmness.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #251

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When you've spent millions and years promoting a brand ID, you don't change it just because ownership changed. (Another example: If I understand correctly, General Electric doesn't have anything to do with GE-branded light bulbs. They sold the business. But the buyer wanted more than the factory and the distribution arrangements, they wanted the name that people recognized.)

And just to bring it all full-circle in this thread, albeit a slightly different direction: NBC's chime was developed when it was owned by GE in the 1930s (the notes are G-E-C – General Electric Company). When GE sold its interest, that chime continued to be used. GE later regained control of NBC, and once again sold the last of its interest to Comcast a few years ago. But the G-E-C jingle remains unchanged, the firs…

> NBC's chime was developed when it was owned by GE in the 1930s (the notes are G-E-C – General Electric Company).

Apparently this is folklore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_chimes#%22General_Electric...

Re: There are no results for tank man

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"But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or something like that." Isn't this already a thing with the "vouch" button on said posts? https://i.imgur.com/Hp9nu58.png

By the time a story needs to be vouched for, it loses the momentum it previously had gettting it to the front page. So you need a way to prevent vouching from being necessary in the first place.

If a story transitions to a high flag/vouch level (IDK, >10 of each), it should have its clock reset to be considered a new submission, regardless of dupe status. Maybe label with [controversial] or [hot].

This problem happens again and again with hot topics, and at the moment the default behavior is to let them disappear, which is a bit lame.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #311

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Right of course is. Yet 'another accident' on the anniversary of the crackdowns of the Tiananmen Square protests. /s

I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply. The fact that it’s the anniversary would easily explain why they’re making sure it’s censored properly in China, the human error is that it’s being censored outside of China.

That's a perfectly good explanation, apart from the fact that an American company does censorship for Chinese government. If it's "inside China" doesn't make it better.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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A Microsoft spokesperson told Motherboard in an email that "This is due to an accidental human error and we are actively working to resolve this." ------ There is no way this is due to an accidental human error. The lying on this point is infuriating.

Why not. A human was asked to fulfill a request to block the "tank man" search in China and forgot to add the country restriction. There is no way to know if it is true, but it is definitely possible. This is probably an interface that isn't used incredibly frequently and may not be as polished as one might hope.

The thing that pushes this more towards incredulity is that today is the anniversary of the famous photo.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #236

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Counteracting abuse of this site is the #1 thing we do behind the scenes to try to prevent the value of HN from eroding. That's actually what I spent the first hour of my morning doing, before I realized that there was $BigDrama happening. (Thank you, bat-signaling emailers.) If you ever see me commenting on how "large HN threads are paged for performance reasons, so click the More link at the bottom, and we'll event…

Man this comment give me PTSD from the early reddit days. If you read nothing else in this comment: You're doing a great job solving a hard problem, keep it up! > well, the reason that's not done yet is because moderation takes 90% of my time, answering emails takes the other 90% of my time, and counteracting abuse takes the other 90% of my time. So much this. There just isn't enough time with a small staff. > Most h…

> They focus on using propaganda to control individuals and then let those people make a mess of social media.

There was an interesting report in German TV, where they analyzed a paper looking for bot patterns in Twitter. That paper named some offending accounts, so what they did was PM one - and it turned out that it simply belonged to a pensioner with strong political opinions and a lot of free time. Interesting to look behind the cover some times (through I do think that TLAs realize this power and don't let that slide, to some extent at least).

> I'll be honest, at first I wasn't too keen on you moderation style, as I found it too heavy handed.

It's interesting how viewpoints diverge - for quite some time when I started reading, I actually did not realize that HN was moderated. If I may ask, where did you encounter so much heavy moderation?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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post #390

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Oh, you have multiple mods now? I thought it was just you, after sctb left.

The situation hasn't changed since Scott left; it's just that we were the only two public mods so now I'm the only public one.

Ahh, public vs private. I see, thanks.
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