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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by unholythree » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

dude187 wrote: post #230

nbardy wrote: post #90

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We were told the same thing about the lab leak theory from: Social media companies, Mainstream media, and the government. The reason for distrust is valid. We live in an age of rapidly increasing censorship and the CCPs growing reach of control in American discourse. Skepticism is becoming the default for very real reasons.

Exactly. Discourse has become censored almost compltely on a large number of non "fact checker approved" views over the last year. Reddit bans permanently over it all over, now Twitter. Facebook gets a lot of the blame but sadly it seems like my the only place my conservative friends have a voice. This trend of "stop Asian hate" is also not organic. It's designed to use the "your racist" Trump card to shut down any t…

That's super nutty. How would the alleged uptick in racist violence against Asian-Americans provide cover for misdeeds of the Chinese Communist Party? Over the past couple weeks many mainstream news sources are reporting the possibility of the lab as a source. In fact the lack of transparency of Chinese authorities has been a pretty universal complaint (minus WHO dithering) since jump.

I do think it's entirely possible the Asian hate fears are the sort of alarmist panic that the American media loves to trade in. I'd like to see statistics regarding violent crime reported by Asian and Pacific Islanders, rather than mostly anecdotal reporting or the dozen or so high profile attacks. I don't see this sort of breathless but shallow reporting as a conspiracy but just run of the mill bandwagoning.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #106

dang wrote: post #72

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This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by Nursie » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:34 PM UTC

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #201

belter wrote: post #178

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Not only government actors. It looks like Microsoft has a whole team working this site: https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201... Quote from Satya Nadella Q1 2019 Earnings Conference Call "...In fact, this morning, I was reading a news article in Hacker News, which is a community where we have been working hard to make sure that Azure is growing in popularity and I was pleasantly surprised to se…

The charitable interpretation of this comment is that Microsoft uses Hacker News comments as a barometer for developer sentiment about Azure. It’s just Microsoft trying to do the “developers developer developers!” thing. They want to make Azure into the kind of thing that people on Hacker News would like. I think this is the most reasonable interpretation, because why on earth would Satya confess to astroturfing on a…

I'm not sure about why anyone would confess, but I'm fairly certain MS used to pull this sort of stuff, and not in that sophisticated a fashion - back in the days of Windows Phone 7 and then 8, there were people all over slashdot talking about how amazing the platform was and how the developer experience was just the best... before developer builds were available.

Maybe I was misreading it, but to me at the time it seemed like a flood of unreasonably positive people gushing about something they couldn't really have had any experience with.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by xvector » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #176

JPKab wrote: post #41

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Legitimate criticism of the CCP results in rather intense flagging. I'm no angel and I've definitely made comments that deserved flagging on HN and I really try hard to play by the rules that dang sets, but it's a rather clear pattern that certain subjects solicit pretty intense flagging despite not really being "nationalistic flame bait". In case dang sees this I hope I'm not violating further rules of service I'm j…

When you see that happening, vouch for the post or the article.

You can’t vouch until the post is dead, meaning that a small number of people can put a post into flagged purgatory and no one can do anything about it until enough people holler for the mods

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by jasonhansel » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:36 PM UTC

jasonhansel wrote: post #121

Looks like media outlets are starting to cover the story: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8v9m/bing-censors-tank-man

Also:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-bing-raises-con...

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-bing-censors-china...

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dang » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:36 PM UTC

6foot4_82iq wrote: post #275

crazygringo wrote: post #106

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I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

Three or four coordinated accounts is all it takes to have de facto editorial control over HN.

I'd love to hear how you think you know that. Actually, better than that, please show us all some links to where this happened. If what you say is true, it should be easy to find examples.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by seattle_spring » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

tinus_hn wrote: post #299

seattle_spring wrote: post #209

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I wish it was more than mild annoyance being expressed. There has been a huge uptick in /r/conspiracy style posts and accusations over the last few months (none of them valid, except one but that was purely by accident).

What would that achieve? Suddenly people see the light and no longer believe there is a conspiracy? Seems rather unlikely to me.

Ideally they'd stick to other forums.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dang » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

partiallypro wrote: post #240

ilamont wrote: post #104

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dang 27 minutes ago [–] [flagged] on submissions nearly always means users flagged it. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#flag https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27397158

The FAQs also say a mod can remove the flag if it's unfair...which it is. Yet it hasn't been removed.

Ok, I've removed it. Now people will accuse us of rewriting history, but that's ok - one eventually makes peace with the fact that there's no way to win.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by kragen » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

mssundaram wrote: post #304

kragen wrote: post #221

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If you post a story on HN with a list of historical atrocities attributable to the Roman Catholic Church or to Spanish colonialism, you can definitely expect a significant fraction of Latin American and Spanish people to take exception to it, and I've seen that happen on HN several times in the past. Recognizing and understanding that there are hot-button issues for particular political, national, and ethnic groups i…

For what it's worth Kragen, if you ever see this, I understand what you mean and I don't think that you're being racist. We can't even talk about the diversity of humans and what influences their intentions anymore without being called racist. -Signed a Hindu American living in Asia

I deeply appreciate that. I've been profoundly disappointed in most of this conversation, and your comment is a bright spot.

I think tptacek is the kind of "colorblind" person who would invite you and your parents to dinner at a steakhouse to celebrate, then get puzzled when observant Hindus don't find a beef feast appealing. Probably he thinks it's racist to point out that this is a likely result and would accuse me of stereotyping you, even if I pointed out that some Hindus do eat beef.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by thih9 » Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

jakeva wrote: post #318

varenc wrote: post #309

As discussed extensively in the Bing thread [0] comments, this is because DDG uses Bing’s search index. Microsoft has acknowledged this is in error...[1] (though the error seems to be that censorship meant to just apply to China is being applied everywhere) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635 [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj8v9m/bing-censors-tank-man

I didn't know DDG uses Bing's search index. What exactly is their value proposition over Bing then?

No profiling.

> DuckDuckGo distinguishes itself from other search engines by not profiling its users and by showing all users the same search results for a given search term.

Also note that DDG doesn’t just rely on Bing.

> DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "over 400" sources, including Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Bing, Yandex, its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot) and others.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo