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Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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allowlist/denylist

Why are people being so negative about this? If the terms whitelist/blacklist are hurtful to some people because of all the racial baggage we've applied to the words white and black, why not switch to allow/deny instead? Using allow/deny is more explicit and doesn't rely on the benign cultural associations with the colors black and white. The choice of colors used here is arbitrary. For example, one could just as eas…

There is a real cost to changing APIs/documentation/UIs. My experience talking to black (one African, one European) coworkers is their reaction is "That's the problem you're going to fix?". When the company does a companywide initative to remove "problematic" terms from APIs/documentation, but doesn't stop funding of politicians who support voter suppression that predominantly affect black people in real practical ways, that bemusement can even turn to offense as they feel placated.

Of course, my coworkers don't represent all black people, and especially wouldn't claim to represent African Americans, but if even black people can hold this opinion, are you surprised others don't see this as worth the effort to change?

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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there is no such a thing as an ethical comment. Comments are a cynical deployment of our knowledge of crowd wisdom, media manipulation, and statistics to make people part with their opinions for others they wouldn't think they agree with. -- Sorry, there is such a think as "more" ethical ads. If you want to be pedantic and argue they should use "more" suit yourself. But things are not black and white, your comment is…

I'm not trying to manipulate anyone. I'm voicing my opinion. I don't buy anything from advertisements. Period. When I need something, I shop for it. And if you think I'm alone, you're kidding yourself.

That may be the case but you can’t discount the possibility that when you are shopping for something, your choices are influenced by advertising that you have previously been exposed to whether you are aware of it or not. Your decision to go shopping for something in the first place may be influenced by it too.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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There is no such thing as an ethical ad. Advertising is a cynical deployment of our knowledge of crowd wisdom, media manipulation, and statistics to make people part with their money for things they wouldn't think they needed. Our economy can't handle this kind of reckless consumerism anymore. Worse yet, we don't need advertising to bolster our media. Unfortunately, the media execs don't realize this yet. All your me…

I am really confused by this position. How do you propose that companies should promote their products and services, if not through advertising? Are you somehow suggesting that they should just sit there and hope that people who have never heard of their product independently decide they happen to want or need that product and seek it out, unprompted? You say "people part with their money for things they wouldn't thi…

> Are you somehow suggesting that they should just sit there and hope that people who have never heard of their product independently decide they happen to want or need that product and seek it out, unprompted?

Yeah, it's even got a name: shopping.

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To me, there is no such thing as an “ethical ad”. You are trying to steal my attention, my time. You don’t get to do that. My time on Earth is limited and you don’t get a millisecond of it if I can help it. If I want to buy something, I seek it out. Anything else is a waste of my time and a waste of the advertisers money. I long ago decided to throw out every piece of physical ad mail I receive without even glancing…

Great morally charged argument, but I am not sure how you expect content creators to monetize.

That's not really my problem, is it? It is the content creator's problem.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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I switched in late 2017 when they released quantum or neutrino or whatever they called it, a huge performance release. As a backend dev and security focused eng I have little reason to test drive changes in all browsers. FF has been smooth and stable for me across desktop OSs. Having no reason to alternate between that and Chrome, I’ve been confused by people saying it’s slow. It’s been, to my memory, a flawless expe…

I've had a similar experience. My only gripe is that the Facebook Container extension / Multi-Account Containers[0] stopped working for some reason, and I haven't been able to get them working again. I love that I was able to sequester all of Google's real estate from all of Amazon from all of my work tabs, and so on. [0] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers

FB Container never stopped working fine for me. You should be able to use them again, as we do.

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What about JS libraries or CSS hosted by a CDN? I'm thinking jQuery, Bootstrap, etc etc. I learned that using a common CDN was the way to go because the content would likely already be in the user's cache and often not need to be loaded.

This was discussed when Chrome made this change. It makes almost no difference because to get any saving you have to have lots of websites that use the same CDN and the same version of jQuery etc. Unlikely enough to not matter.

Indeed, and the savings are fairly small even in the best case, jQuery is 28kB gzipped, a drop in the ocean of the multi-megabyte payload of most big sites these days.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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> Nobody would accept interconnected face scanners in every building they walk into but online it's somehow okay. There are cars with license plate scanners that wardrive the world. They scan plates in shopping centers, businesses, and even apartment buildings so on the off chance law enforcement, repo businesses, or anyone who wants to know where your car is parked can track you. People accept that. Or rather, most…

People accept that in the USA. Privacy laws in most countries make the free interchange of such information illegal

Fair point.

The Wild West mentality in the US kind of sucks when technology allows even small businesses the ability to screw over large numbers of people.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Doesn’t Google grant itself first-party status by redirecting you through an advertisement domain? µBlock definitely is the king of ad blocking extensions — only the fork AdNauseam ( https://adnauseam.io/ ) can compete, and that’s by both blocking ads and fighting back with obfuscating click simulation.

Hmm. I think it would be better if the extension clicked randomly rather than clicked on all ads. That would cause the numbers to be much harder to interpret, and ad agencies or departments would have a much harder time measuring their efficacy or justifying their existence.

> ad agencies or departments would have a much harder time measuring their efficacy or justifying their existence.

50% of adverts are a waste of money, the problem for people wanting to advertise is nobody knows which 50%

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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I think you’re overestimating the impact of this. Most web site content these days are served from the web site owner’s own domain. It’s only if a.com and b.com have (for example) the exact same image URL (c.com/img123.jpg) embedded, and you visit both sites, that this cache partitioning will make a difference. In essence, there’s very little legitimate Internet traffic that would be effected by this change, but lots…

I see what you're saying. But, for example, all of the new DNS queries for things like jQuery and Google Analytics surely add up to something noticeable.

Statistically significant: maybe. Noticeable to humans: almost certainly not.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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You know what is surprising? A lot of people will easily accept those face scanners too :/

A lot of people accept that which is beyond their control. That doesn't mean they are Ok with it, just that they don't know how to do anything about it or often that it's even happening.

Wasn't there an article about paying with your face around here just a bit ago? People clearly don't just tolerate this, but embrace it.

Only people from places where it's too late to go back (like China) are aware of the dangers of these systems, but they can hardly warn the rest of us and when they do, we generally don't listen as "something like that surely wouldn't happen in my free country".

It would seem that people only get slightly spooked when a government does something that could impact their privacy (even when it actually doesn't - see the recent covid tracking app backlash in basically every country) but when private companies do it, they eat it up hapily.

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